On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 11:56:16 AM UTC-8, Embudo wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 9:06:58 AM UTC-8, Janet B wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:27:12 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:27:48 -0500, Dave Smith
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Better access to abortion should avoid the
> >>>> problem of later term procedures.
> >>>
> >>> It all starts with better access to birth control.
> >>
> >> exactly.
> >> Janet US
> >
> > But the late term abortion is not caused by dawdling or a failure to
> > use birth control.
> Oh?
>
> You're omniscient as to EVERY late term abortion's circumstances?
>
> I think not!
>
> https://prustice.wordpress.com/2009/...erm-abortions/
>
> Dr. George Tiller, the man complicated Gov. Kathleen Sebilious
> confirmation process with the money he, a late-term abortionist, gave to
> her for political reasons, has on his website, http://www.drtiller.com/
> , a list of some medical complications that he and other physicians give
> as reasons to abort the baby.
>
> So I did some google'ing to read about these complex medical
> terminologies in order to better understand where these women are when
> they make this choice.
>
> To be honest, I don't know what to think about a few of these. However,
> there are some that I firmly believe are no reason to take that innocent
> child's life.
>
> See for yourself. And if I'm not making sense with my "medical
> explanations" please research these yourself.
>
> Admission Criteria (link to Dr. Tiller's Admission into his clinic's
> Criteria)
>
> Trisomy 21: Down Syndrome
>
> Trisomy 13 & 18: mental retardation, 90 percent of babies born with it
> die before the age of 1.
>
> Anencephaly: a severe head disorder, occurs when the head end of the
> neural tube fails to close, absence of a major portion of the brain,
> skull, and scalp. Children with this disorder are born without a
> forebrain, the largest part of the brain. The remaining brain tissue is
> often exposed--not covered by bone or skin.
>
> Polycystic Kidney Disease: cysts on the babies kidney. It takes many
> years for this to cause the kidneys to fail and can be treated with
> dialysis or kidney transplantation. 600,000 people in the U.S. are
> living with PKD.
>
> Spina Bifida: the most common permanently disabling birth defect in the
> U.S. The spine of the baby fails to close, he or she won't be able to
> walk. 70,000 people in the U.S. are living with SB.
>
> Hydrocephalus: there is an excessive amount of fluid in the brain.
> Infants experience vomiting, large head size, sleepiness, irritability,
> downward deviation of the eyes ("sunsetting") and seizures. Older
> children and adults may experience different symptoms such as, headache
> followed by vomiting, nausea, papilledema (swelling of the optic disk
> which is part of the optic nerve), blurred or double vision, sunsetting,
> problems with balance, poor coordination, gait disturbance, urinary
> incontinence, slowing or loss of developmental progress, lethargy,
> drowsiness, irritability, or other changes in personality or cognition
> including memory loss. Hydrocephalus is very treatable.
>
> Potter's Syndrome: there is a total absence or malformation of infant
> kidneys. Vast majority of babies die at birth or shortly afterwards.
>
> Lethal Dwarfism: this is very rare. Some symptoms are a large head, wide
> front fontanel, corneal clouding, closed off ear canals, and very short
> arms. Nearly half of the babies that have this die before they're born.
>
> Holoprosencephaly: In most cases, the brain does not divide into lobes,
> which severely deforms the skull and face. Sometimes the brain is
> partially or nearly divided, making the symptoms much less severe. In
> the absolute worst cases, the baby dies in the womb.
>
> Anterior and Posterior Encephalocele: this complication leads to
> chromosomal anomaly, most common anomaly being Trisomy 18. Patients with
> an anterior encephalocele have a 100% survival rate, but only 55% in
> persons with a posterior encephalocele. Encephalocele reduces the chance
> of live birth to 21%, and only half of those live births survive.
> Approximately 75% of survivors have a mental deficit. The absence of
> brain tissue in the herniated sac is the single most favorable
> prognostic feature for survival.
>
> Non-Immune Hydrops: Excess of extra-cellular fluid in two or more sites
> without any identifiable circulating antibody to red cell antigens.
> There are treatments to perform while the baby is still in the womb,
> however the prognosis is generally very poor with very high peri-natal
> mortality.
>
> > It is caused typically by an ultrasound on a wanted
> > child revealing a serious birth defect, like a fetus without a
> > cerebrum or a cerebellum.
>
> "Typically"?
>
> Citation????

You just gave an excellent citation, Ace. Severely damaged fetuses who
will not live outside the womb. Or will have severe mental deficits.
Did you read it?


>
> http://www.womenscenter.com/abortion_reasons.html
>
> The most common underlying reasons for abortion were

The topic is LATE-TERM abortions, Ace. Not every abortion.
By 24 weeks, the pregnancies are wanted. Only tragic circumstances would
lead to termination now.

> 1) they could not
> afford a child at the time and were unmarried (42%), 2) it would
> interfere with their education (38%), 3) it would interfere with their
> employment (38%), and 4) they were students or planning to enroll in
> studies (34%). Other reasons are having relationship problems, not ready
> for another child, or don't want people to know they had sex or got
> pregnant, the health of the fetus, victim of rape, or became pregnant as
> result of incest.
>
>
> http://www.winmentalhealth.com/late_...nformation.php
>
> Approximately 10% or one in ten abortions performed are later-term,
> after the first trimester (Terkel).
> Risk of the mother's death for abortions between 16 and 20 weeks is one
> in 29,000.
> Risk of death at 21 weeks and beyond is one in 11,000.
> Only 1.2% of abortions are performed 20 weeks or later (about 13,200 in
> the U.S. in 2011) (Planned Parenthood).
> Psychological or emotional damage to the woman or teen is more common
> and can be more intense with late-term abortion than with abortions
> (Coleman, Coyle, Rue. 2014).
> Approximately 10-percent of women have an abortion after the first three
> months of pregnancy, what most consider to be later term, that is four
> months or later. Only approximately one-percent of abortions, or 1.2%
> more precisely, are performed late-term, after 20 weeks of pregnancy.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_t...n_of_pregnancy
>
> In 1987, the Alan Guttmacher Institute collected questionnaires from
> 1,900 women in the United States who came to clinics to have abortions.
> Of the 1,900 questioned, 420 had been pregnant for 16 or more weeks.
> These 420 women were asked to choose among a list of reasons they had
> not obtained the abortions earlier in their pregnancies. The results
> were as follows:[7]
>
> 71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
> 48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
> 33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
> 24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
> 8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
> 8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
> 6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
> 6% Woman didn't know timing is important
> 5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
> 2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
> 11% Other
> A new study in 2013 shows that most women seeking late term abortion
> "fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone,
> were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male
> partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then
> had access problems, or were young and nulliparous."[21]
>
>
> > Or a Down syndrome child, who will either
> > die at a tragically young age, or far outlive the parents (both of
> > which I have seen).
> >

The Down syndrome daughter outlived her parents by 50 years. If it
happened to you, what arrangements would you make for her lifetime care?