On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 7:13:12 PM UTC-10, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
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> Whose face do you measure he lost?
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Westerners have some problem with the Asian concept of loss of face. Loss of face has nothing to do with the individual. To save face means to avoid making others feel uncomfortable or look bad. This means you need at least two people involved and usually, it's several or many more people. This is pretty much the opposite of the American style zero sum model of interaction..