On 2018-01-11 12:29 AM, dsi1 wrote:

> Westerners have some problem with the Asian concept of loss of face.
> Loss of face has nothing to do with the individual. To save face
> means to avoid making others feel uncomfortable or look bad. This
> means you need at least two people involved and usually, it's several
> or many more people. This is pretty much the opposite of the American
> style zero sum model of interaction.
>

Yeah. We get it. Loss of face is about being held accountable for bad
behaviour.