On 1/11/2018 9:08 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-01-11 12:29 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> Westerners have some problem with the Asian concept of loss of face.
>> Loss of face has nothing to do with the individual. To save face
>> means to avoid making others feel uncomfortable or look bad. This
>> means you need at least two people involved and usually, it's several
>> or many more people. This is pretty much the opposite of the American
>> style zero sum model of interaction.
>>
>
> Yeah. We get it. Loss of face is about being held accountable for bad
> behaviour.


People can be held accountable in a polite and honest manner, really.