On 1/11/2018 11:34 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:26:32 PM UTC-5, Casa estilo antiguo wrote:
>> On 1/11/2018 11:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:38:28 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 1:53:53 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> You'd be surprised. The first time would be the SF Bay area. The second time was be Washington State. We lived in those places and were treated fine. The black folks weren't. To an outsider it was fairly obvious. I also stayed in FL for a week. That was pretty weird.
>>>
>>> That's not about fighting the Civil War, you idiot. The Civil War
>>> wasn't about not being racists, nor was it about treating black
>>> people nicely. You could think black people were inferior and
>>> still think it was a bad idea to own people as chattel.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> Wait, where did the Civil War get introduced to this?
>>
>> Oh, you just did.
>>
>> Why?
>
> Not me, dsi1. He snipped the reference to the Civil War when he replied
> to this:
OK - /MY BAD/ there, I'm sorry, I should have read back!
>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 12:01:54 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 6:42:06 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. >wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't trying to be witty. you are coming across as being very
>>>> resentful of 'Americans' who you view as white folks. you are quite
>>>> racist. Do all native Hawaiians feel resentful of people on the
>>>> mainland?
>>>
>>> You come across as being quite racist so I guess we're even. Some >Hawaiians do feel resentful of the haoles. Who can blame them? You'd be >****ed too if some foreigners stole your land. My wife, a haole born in >Montana, is resentful of some mainland haoles. The way they treated her >mom, a Korean, still gives her great pain. Yoose got a lot of nerve >acting holier than thou. I have seen with my own eyes that yoose guys >are still fighting the Civil War.
>>
>> Where were you on the mainland when you saw this?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Cindy Hamilton
And frankly after Charlottesville and so on some of us ARE still
fighting the Civil war!
But it has morphed into an Orwellian excess of statue purging by the
ill-titled "antifa" vermin who are as racist as any before them, as if
removing the visual cues to our past will simultaneously un-write it,
which is totally mental!
"Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date.
In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by
documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or
any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the
moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest,
scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary."
"One could not learn history from architecture any more than one could
learn it from books. Statues, inscriptions, memorial stones, the names
of streets€“anything that might throw light upon the past had been
systematically altered.'
- G. Orwell
It also evades the point that even Robert E. Lee was no pure adherent to
slavery despite leading the army of the Confederacy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/u...ee-slaves.html
Lee joined the secessionists in April 1861. He left Arlington House, and
the estate was eventually overtaken by Union soldiers. (The dead were
buried in its grounds, which would later become the site of Arlington
National Cemetery.) Over the course of the conflict, many slaves were
hired out or escaped the property.
In 1862, in accordance with Mr. Custiss will, Lee filed a deed of
manumission to free the slaves at Arlington House and at two more
plantations Mr. Custis had owned, individually naming more than 150 of
them. And in January 1863, President Abraham Lincoln issued the
Emancipation Proclamation, declaring that all people held as slaves in
the rebelling states €śare, and henceforward shall be free.€ť
Of all the letters by Lee that have been collected by archivists and
historians over the years, one of the most famous was written to his
wife in 1856. €śIn this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but
what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral &
political evil in any Country,€ť he wrote.
But he added that slavery was €śa greater evil to the white man than to
the black race€ť in the United States, and that the €śpainful discipline
they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction.€ť
....
Dr. Foner said that after the war, Lee did not support rights for black
citizens, such as the right to vote, and was largely silent about
violence perpetrated by white supremacists during Reconstruction.
The general did, however, object to the idea of raising Confederate
monuments, writing in 1869 that it would be wiser €śnot to keep open the
sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored
to obliterate the marks of civil strife.€ť
"In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you
would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that
claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not
merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external
reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies
was common sense."
- G. Orwell