On 1/30/2018 4:01 PM, Broce wrote:

>>>>>>>>> If more women felt that way, overpopulation could be solved.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh??? Is the overpopulation all virgin birth?????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Birth in general.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then it is not up to 'women' to solve it alone? Could it also be men
>>>>>> should stay zipped up??
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course. But y'all were talking about how painful child birth is and
>>>>> I said it's a shame it doesn't discourage more women from having
>>>>> children (esp. in overpopulated poor countries). That doesn't apply to
>>>>> men.
>>>>
>>>> In those countries abstinence would be the only possible way - that
>>>> should apply to both, not just the woman.
>>>
>>> What I said wasn't about man against woman. I don't see everything in
>>> those terms.
>>
>> Then why say "If more women felt that way, overpopulation could be
>> solved."
>
> Most women want children at some point in their lives. If child birth
> was 5 times more painful, many women might not want them anymore.
>
For some young girls and guys, it is a status symbol. Real men have
fathered a few babies with different mothers and the girls think it is
OK to have them for them.

A younger woman I know was often asked by some coworkers why she didn't
have a baby yet. They thought it was normal, marriage not needed.