On 28 Nov 2018, Gary wrote
(in article >):

> Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > The flavor is wonderful! At first bite it reminds me of the honey whole
> > wheat bread that I normally make. And that's weird because there is no honey
> > or whole wheat in it.
>
> Interesting because lately I've been buying (and enjoying)
> 'Nature's Own' Honey Wheat Bread. Just a toasted piece of that
> with butter is a very tasty treat.
>
> Anyway, congrats on your bread victory!

I have been baking my own bread for 25 years.

In my experience, the dough needs to be as soft as possible, but just enough
flour to stop it really sticking to your fingers.

Flour on your hands will help.

If the dough is hard to knead, then it will not rise as much as it should.
Yeasts are not superhuman.