"Jinx the Minx" wrote in message news
cshenk > wrote:
> Jinx the Minx wrote:
>
>> Ophelia > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fruitiest of Fruitcakes" wrote in message
>>> news.com...
>>>
>>> On 28 Nov 2018, Gary wrote
>>> (in article >):
>>>
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The flavor is wonderful! At first bite it reminds me of the honey
>> whole >>> wheat bread that I normally make. And that's weird because
>> there is no >>> honey
>>>>> or whole wheat in it.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting because lately I've been buying (and enjoying)
>>>> 'Nature's Own' Honey Wheat Bread. Just a toasted piece of that
>>>> with butter is a very tasty treat.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, congrats on your bread victory!
>>>
>>> I have been baking my own bread for 25 years.
>>>
>>> In my experience, the dough needs to be as soft as possible, but
>>> just enough flour to stop it really sticking to your fingers.
>>>
>>> Flour on your hands will help.
>>>
>>> If the dough is hard to knead, then it will not rise as much as it
>>> should. Yeasts are not superhuman.
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> My days of kneading my own dough are past. Arthritis in my
>>> shoulder and hands put paid to that I had been making my own
>>> since I was a teenager. These days it is either the machine or no
>>> knead bread. I won't buy bread though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Depressing, isnt it? Ive made bread a few times, and always looked
>> to future days when Id have the time to make it more often, and
>> experiment making different types. Sadly, my bad hands took over
>> before I ever got that chance I had been waiting for. No kneading for
>> me, either.
>
> Thats why I use a bread machine. I am limited by what it does in some
> ways, but it works well. I've been making almost all our bread since
> 2001.
>
> I have about 35% reduction in feeling and strength in my right hand and
> 15% roughly same in left hand. Both are due to spinal issues. I
> really started making bread *after that*.
>
> Some people will tell you that 'unless you hand knead the bread' it
> doesnt count. Bull hocky. You can do just as fine at being happy with
> your own produced breads as anyone else. The recipies are a little
> different with a bread machine, but only due to a static rise time
> making that needed.
>
> I make no apologies for using a machine to do the parts I cannot.
>

I do have an old bread machine from back when they were the newest hot
gadget to get. I used a few times but didnt really care for the end
result. Perhaps I just need to experiment with it more. Likewise with
the no-knead breads.
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On good days I use it just for the knead. Works ok