Ophelia wrote:

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> "cshenk" wrote in message
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> Jinx the Minx wrote:
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> >Ophelia > wrote:
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> >> "Fruitiest of Fruitcakes" wrote in message
> >> news.com...
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> >> On 28 Nov 2018, Gary wrote
> >> (in article >):
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> >>> Julie Bove wrote:
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> >>>> The flavor is wonderful! At first bite it reminds me of the honey
> >whole >>> wheat bread that I normally make. And that's weird because
> >there is no >>> honey
> >>>> or whole wheat in it.
> > > >
> >>> Interesting because lately I've been buying (and enjoying)
> >>> 'Nature's Own' Honey Wheat Bread. Just a toasted piece of that
> >>> with butter is a very tasty treat.
> > > >
> >>> Anyway, congrats on your bread victory!
> > >
> >> I have been baking my own bread for 25 years.
> > >
> >> In my experience, the dough needs to be as soft as possible, but
> >> just enough flour to stop it really sticking to your fingers.
> > >
> >> Flour on your hands will help.
> > >
> >> If the dough is hard to knead, then it will not rise as much as it
> >> should. Yeasts are not superhuman.
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> >> ==
> > >
> >> My days of kneading my own dough are past. Arthritis in my
> >> shoulder and hands put paid to that I had been making my own
> >> since I was a teenager. These days it is either the machine or no
> >> knead bread. I won't buy bread though.
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> > Depressing, isnt it? Ive made bread a few times, and always looked
> > to future days when Id have the time to make it more often, and
> > experiment making different types. Sadly, my bad hands took over
> > before I ever got that chance I had been waiting for. No kneading
> > for me, either.
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> Thats why I use a bread machine. I am limited by what it does in some
> ways, but it works well. I've been making almost all our bread since
> 2001.
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> I have about 35% reduction in feeling and strength in my right hand
> and 15% roughly same in left hand. Both are due to spinal issues. I
> really started making bread *after that*.
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> Some people will tell you that 'unless you hand knead the bread' it
> doesnt count. Bull hocky. You can do just as fine at being happy
> with your own produced breads as anyone else. The recipies are a
> little different with a bread machine, but only due to a static rise
> time making that needed.
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> I make no apologies for using a machine to do the parts I cannot.
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> ==
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> No reason why you should!

Nope! But you'd be surprised at how some feel about it.