On 2019-09-15 9:34 a.m., Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>> I'm not so sure that would have happened. Hawaii had a pretty good relationship with Japan which recognized the Kingdom of Hawaii as an independent country. You can believe that Japan would have taken over Hawaii but the reality is that Hawaii was not stolen by the Japanese. Your fantasy is totally self-serving.
>>>
>>> Given the chance, I have no doubt the Japanese would have stolen
>>> Hawaii. Look at history in the early years of the war...they
>>> invaded eastern China and treated those people like crap. At the
>>> time, they were just as evil as the Nazis.
>>>
>>> Hitler's big mistake was turning on his Russian allies. Japan's
>>> big mistake was turning on the American Navy based in Hawaii and
>>> awakening a sleeping giant.
>>>
>>> Ted Nugent: "The Japanese turned on us and we melted them!"
>>> Note: that's no hearsay. He played a concert right here in
>>> Virginia Beach on a beach stage one year and I was right up front
>>> in the crowd when he said that. That even shocked me. Figured the
>>> city would never invite HIM back again for a concert and so
>>> far....no more Ted Nugent concerts. LOL
>>
>> I have no doubt that you guys on the mainland have no doubt that Japan would have invaded Hawaii.
>
> Dude...they *DID* invade Hawaii on December 7, 1941.
> If they had destroyed their target completely, you better believe
> that their next move would have been to take over the islands
> that you cherish so much.
>
>> You guys probably think that Japan had its sights on invading
>> the United States and that it would have been possible for
>> them to defend and hold on to a rock in the middle of nowhere.
>> You get the last word in this nutty/goofy discussion.
>
> No need to run away from this discussion. Just think about
> what you said.
>
> Don't ignore reality, dsi1. Japs already took over the other
> south pacific islands. Hawaii would have been a big score for
> them...the next big step to be in range of mainland USA and they,
> in fact, did try to get closer in the Aleutions after they
> couldn't conquer Hawaii.

I don't think they actually wanted to conquer Hawaii. They were facing
economic sanctions from them US over their incursions into China. The
Japanese, seeing France, Britain and the Netherlands had colonies in
Asia and the Japanese wanted their own piece of the action. The attack
on Pearl Harbor was was a pre-emptive strike to knock the US out of the
picture as they moved out across the Pacific, taking the French, British
and Dutch colonies.


>
> Don't forget how the Japanese mistreated allied POWs either. They
> really were an evil empire back in those days but war does that
> to people. It's just worldwide insanity. And most of the people
> killed or doing the killing were just normal people that would
> prefer to live in peace.

There is no doubt that the Japanese committed atrocities in the
territories they grabbed.