On 12/7/2019 8:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 20:44:46 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2019 7:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 19:26:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/7/2019 6:57 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:49 -0800 (PST), "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:57:08 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We may have to cut some slack for the Dutchman. They like to think of
>>>>>>>> themselves as victims of the German aggression, but there were a lot
>>>>>>>> more of his countrymen who joined the Nazis than the Resistance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That, true or not, also doesn't justify throwing atomic bombs on
>>>>>>> civilians. It's quite shocking that you 2 can't see that because of
>>>>>>> your huge bias.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would have been your solution to bringing the war to an end? Senselessly
>>>>>> killing more 10's of hundreds of thousands people? Just how would you have
>>>>>> ended it??
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever you do, you don't bomb innocent babies, children, men, women.
>>>>> That's the kind of stuff you DON'T want. That kind of behaviour is the
>>>>> problem, not the solution.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What would have been a better solution? Were you there? The Japanese
>>>> did not care about anyone in the battles all along and they were
>>>> planning to fight to the end.
>>>> These are the same people that brought you the Bataan Death March.
>>>
>>> You grew up with American spin telling you that it was a good thing to
>>> do. An honorable thing. A necessary thing. This is now written in
>>> stone in your brain, no matter how insane that is.
>>>
>> Pretty simple rally. If the bombing save a million lives it was a good
>> thing. If it saved no lives it was a bad thing. Just show me the
>> truth, real facts.
>
> The real facts are that the US killed little girls, little boys,
> women, innocent men, elderly. And to top that, you justify it, agree
> with it. Maybe stick with being the Robin Hood of the rich and
> corrupt.
>
Hopefully that saved many other lives as the Japanese government did not
care who got killed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
R. J. Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of
Hawaii, estimates that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military
murdered from nearly 3 to over 10 million people, most likely 6 million
Chinese, Koreans, Malaysians, Indonesians, Filipinos and Indochinese,
among others, including Western prisoners of war. According to Rummel,
"This democide [i.e., death by government] was due to a morally bankrupt
political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and
national culture."[2] According to Rummel, in China alone, during
1937€“45, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly
civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and a total of
10.2 million Chinese were killed in the course of the war.[59] The most
infamous incident during this period was the Nanking Massacre of
1937€“38, when, according to the findings of the International Military
Tribunal for the Far East, the Japanese Army massacred as many as
300,000 civilians and prisoners of war, although the accepted figure is
somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.[60