On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 16:32:07 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 5:57:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 4:53:06 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >
>> > I have a leather trifold. Bought it in Italy a dozen years ago at a
>> > small leather shop in Florence. It was cheap so two years later I
>> > bought another in a different color to use when the first wore out.
>> > Looks like that will be inherited by my sone as the first one is in
>> > great shape.
>> >
>> Leather. Good stuff and practically incapable of wearing it out.
>>
>> Bruce will have a hissy fit running backward BUT an animal must
>> die for us to use this product.
>
>Leather is a byproduct of beef and dairy No one would raise cattle exclusively for leather if cattle didn't have tasty meat and/or tasty milk. I've known vegetarians who've admitted to me that it's not about the welfare of animals, but that they think eating animals' bodies is gross.

And then there are vegetarians who don't eat meat for health reasons
or for environmental reasons. I stick to animal welfare first of all,
but I'd appreciate any health benefits. Remember how the WHO said
eating red meat is as bad for us as smoking.