On 3/23/2021 4:00 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:48:30 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/23/2021 3:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0400, Michael >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)! 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
>>>>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
>>>>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>>>>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
>>>>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
>>>>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>> Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
>>>> cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.
>
> Less _hot_ water. It costs to heat water for dishwashing.
>
> You can doubt anything you like:
>
> <https://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=dishwash.pr_handwash_dishwash.>
>
> My kitchen is pretty small, and the one cupboard that is lost to the dishwasher
> is well worth it.
>
>>>> Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method. No, I do not wash my
>>>> clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>>>> washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
>>>> laundry.
>>>
>>> If I had to do our dishes by hand, I'd stop eating.
>>>
>> Damn... that's some dedicated laziness. Perhaps that'll be the new diet.
>>
>> Standing over hot dishwater feels amazing on cold winter mornings when
>> I'm freezing.
>
> Our house is 71 F year-round. Perhaps you need to have your furnace serviced.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
My boiler works fine, I don't turn it above 64 degrees to save on
heating costs. 71 would be wonderful, but this 120 year old house is
not only drafty, but costly to heat.
Per your link, the cost difference between hand washing and energy star
dish-washer is $431 over the expected 10 year life of the appliance.
Let's assume that you installed it yourself and didn't pay for
installation.
Good luck finding a decent energy-star dish-washer for less than $431;
assuming it's self installed. The last floor model that I priced was
$800, and you have to deal with the hassle of hooking it up to the sink
every time, not to mention the wasted floor space.
Also per your link, the majority of the cost saved over hand washing is
not energy (small cups) but the cost of water - big bowls. Water is a
flat rate here; 2,000 gallons is the minimum, and my personal usage
never goes over that. So basically, I'd save - at best - $100 over a
decade if I bought a dish washer for my household of one (and a half).
However, to each their own, if it makes you happy. Me, if I had one, it
would make a nice big built-in dish drying rack, and a place to store
extra glasses and plates, I suppose.