On 3/23/2021 5:38 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/23/2021 3:37 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't
>>>>>>> stick
>>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
>>>
>>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
>>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
>>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>>>
>>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as
>> wasted cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.
>>
>> Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method. No, I do not wash
>> my clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>> washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and
>> clean laundry.
>
> Well proven they use less water and little electricity. Not only that,
> dishes are sanitized to 150 degrees so less colds in the house too.
>
> Have enough cabinet space. More space would end up more crap I don't need.
>
> Is it better to use the dishwasher or hand wash?
> When it comes to cleaning dishes, there's no contest: Hand washing uses
> far more water, even if you're not filling up the dishwasher. ... In
> other words, hand washing used 5 times as much water as an efficient
> dishwasher, and 3.5 times more water as an average dishwasher.
>
> What does sanitize on a dishwasher mean?
> Dishwasher sanitize cycles use hotter water and longer wash times to
> kill 99.999% of food soil bacteria. They're required by the National
> Sanitation Foundation to heat water to a minimum of 150°F, although some
> dishwashers may go above that.
>
> Your family deserves clean dishes and it is good for the environment.
Your post sounds like a copy/paste from a website paid commission by a
dishwasher manufacturer. Bacteria doesn't live long off of a host. I'm
not going to consider sanitizing dishes unless I'm working in a
restaurant. A little bit of bacteria will build up your immune
system... it won't kill 'ya.
See my reply to Cindy above. Our water is the same cost - they bill us
a minimum of 2k gallons, and I never go over minimum. Saving some
energy; maybe -- but I'll NEVER save enough energy to even come close to
the cost of the dish washing machine over its effective life span.
There are a lot of scam industries out there that hope people don't
think about these things.
For instance; replacing a house of 100 year old windows instead of
painting and glazing them... studies prove that single glazed windows
account for about 10% of heat loss in a home. Even with the best
warranties and quality; replacement windows will NEVER save you money -
even though they are more "efficient". The pay-back period is way
longer than the life of the units. Same goes for dish washers. Unless
you live in So. Cal. or somewhere that water is expensive and scarce.