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Victor Sack
 
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Curly Sue > wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:52:23 +0200, (Victor Sack)
> wrote:
>
> >Curly Sue > wrote:
> >
> >You didn't notice the olive oil thread? Some people (not me) were
> >calling *him* an idiot because of his peaceful posts.


> Yes, wasn't that interesting? He posts messages that they disagree
> with so they call him an "idiot" and "stupid" with pride, yet he's
> the one who gets blasted now for name-calling.


> >> However, that
> >> is all forgotten because he had the nerve to disagree with Victor.


So, he was 'blasted' before, too, yet you saw it fit to mix me in as a
kind of originator. Was that meant to be a compliment?

> Very nicely, at any rate. Let's just dispel any notion that he came
> out swinging.


Eh? You are arguing with someone else, apparently. I have no wish to
speak for anyone but myself.

> I don't see it like that at all Let's say you were discussing
> "pesto." (Please forgive my using your names; I am not trying to put
> words in your mouth, only to restate the disagreement with an item
> that I can relate to)


You would have done better by quoting faithfully and just using pesto,
etc. where needed.

> Q- What is pesto?
> Luca: Pesto is a condiment made of basil, pine nuts, cheese, garlic,
> and olive oil.
> Victor: Does it *always* have to have basil? I've seen many recipes
> of pesto without basil, with arugula, sundried tomatoes, peanuts, etc.
> Here are some links in Italian.


Not that it matters now, but I also "wrote", to use your context, the
following:
"I've encountered enough versions of pesto without basil to suspect it
has long acquired a rather more generic meaning than a typical pesto
alla genovese would suggest."

Doesn't that make Luca's reply rather superfluous, to say the least?

> Luca: You don't understand. Pesto refers to "paste" and is a general
> item. You can make a paste out of anything and call it "pesto."
> However, words do have meaning in Italian and pesto is generally made
> with basil.


> <all hell breaks loose>


No. The only thing that 'broke loose' at that point was my perfectly
civil reply, which mostly repeated my previous one. It was the only
followup to that post of his. Everything that followed resulted
exclusively from his name-calling, not from any kind of 'disagreement'.

BTW, I rather suspect that there was and still is no disagreement on his
part at all. What he objects to, is a non-Italian making pronouncements
on Italian food (and presumably on Italian *anything*). This is so
extremely stupid and close-minded that it, by itself, already borders on
xenophobia. It apparently doesn't occur to him that many thousands, if
not millions of 'foreigners' have been living and travelling throughout
Italy for millenia and that this is still the case and is more true than
ever. Some of them, who were interested in food, got to know Italian
regional cuisine(s) rather better than the average Italian. It
apparently never occurred to him that I, too, could have been among
those multitudes. But then, of course, he is also convinced that I'm an
(ugly and ignorant) American who probably has never travelled outside
his country at all. How useful it is to make assumptions about persons
instead of just dealing with the facts in hand!

> That's what happens on rfc; name-calling. And you gave as good as he
> did although, yes, smoother.


You really don't see any difference otherwise?

> >BTW, he 'disagreed with' (*your* definition) Nathalie, too.


> Please, don't tell me about Nathalie. I was appalled at her
> invocation of Fascism, racism, and the Ku Klux Klan-equivalent just
> because Luca called you some names. Either we're better than
> name-calling, or we're not.


You didn't notice the mention of 'Terrone', which makes her reaction
perfectly understandable if not quite acceptable? The word is very
often used in an extremely offensive way by the likes of Umberto Bossi,
whose party, though not to be compared to the Ku Klux Klan, is still
less than savoury. The word has by now become very closely associated
with that sort of things.

> Here is what Luca learned in his brief time on rfc:

[snip]

Didn't you learn all that in your long time on rfc, too? Do you call
people names, too?

> 3. If someone asks you a question about Italian food, you can answer
> unless someone else says they know more. So know your place or you
> will be insulted on items ranging from your newsreader to your command
> of the English language.


Someone insulted him on his command of the English language just because
he answered a question about Italian food? Really? You are either
misremembering or distorting the facts, methinks.

Victor