sf wrote on 10/16/2004:

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>THAT is sooo NOT true! I've watched pours for overs and
>ups... they are the same (if the bartender is honest).

Not only that, but if you assume - strictly hypothetically -
that the waiter was right, then that means that they had
been screwing the "over" customers for years. If you
wanted an over (before the up charge was initiated),
you might as well order a glass with ice and an up.
Of course, that might have led to the "extra glass with ice"
charge.

BY the way, this is a pretty good restaurant, a McCormick &
Schmick's operation. I still go there maybe twice a month for
lunch and an occasional dinner. AND, the up charge long since
went away.