>baker writes:
>
>
>Perhaps also because they include vodka which with vermouth, as such, is
>a recognized martini, although not with the history of the gin martini.
>IIRC, the "vodkatini" as it was originally dubbed, came at least 30 years
>after the gin martini which is around a hundred years old. If one order
>simply a "martini" as late as 30-40 years ago, it was usually assumed to
>be a gin martini. Now, more than likely, it would be assumed to be a
>vodka martini

When ordering a martini I've never yet (more than 50 years) been asked whether
gin or vodka... only if "up" or "over", and that only recently and occasionally
(perhaps the past ten years) martini 'overs' were unherad of previously,
perhaps in *** bars... they do everything back-asswards, I hear. Gin is always
the default (as are "ups' if you don't respond otherwise - many barkeeps won't
even ask, unless you say they give you an "up"), it's entirely up to the
consumer to specify vodka. The martini by default is gin with dry vermouth
stirred briefly with ice, strained, with an olive (1)... *always* 'up'. I
think with vodka "ups' it's kind of a waste to go through the motions. Do you
live in LA... things have always been freaky-funky there... 90% of tits are
fake there, as well as the people, why not the 2nis too.


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