"rick etter" > wrote in message ink.net>...
> "Gideon Stargrave" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >>> Cheese has been one of the hardest things for me to give up; I'd REALLY
> >>> like to find some good, vegan substitutes...that actually taste and melt
> >>> like real cheese.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Cheese can be painful to give up. Eventually, you just stop missing it.
> >> The rare times that I eat it now, it makes me feel full and heavy, and
> >> risks giving me digestive problems. Nutritional yeast and tofu have
> >> replaced cheese in most respects for me.
> >>
> >> But let me tell you, a frite-sauce is no where near the same as a
> >> poutine.
> >>
> >> -- Blue
> >
> > if you make the vegan choice for ethical reasons, you are obviously strong
> > enough to give up things you like. the way i kicked cheese, and suggest
> > as the way to easily forget about cheese is thus:
> > remember, cheese is just an extra, a condiment basically. it is truly
> > just about flavor! now, think about the calves that are born to the milk
> > cows, and then, you realize that you are still killing animals, just for
> > taste. if that doesnt help, then, try to remember that it is basically
> > mold, that turns the milk to cheese.
> ====================
> And if that doesn't help, remember the animals that are shredded, sliced,
> diced, dis-membered in farm machinery. remember the animals that die from
> their guts turning to mush from the poisons used to deliberately kill them
> just to keeo you veggies clean and cheap. Remember the animals that die
> from having their skin burned, or from violent spasms after being sprayed
> with pesticides. Remember the animals that are eaten alive from predators
> or that starve to death after you've harvested all the easy food and cover
> off the fields. That's after you crops have allowed their numbers to swell
> far beyond the normal carry capacity of the area because of the easy food
> and cover your crops provide.




Let's have the photographic evidence etter.

Why won't you provide it Ricky?


> So, if you really look, you can find real free-range meats and eggs. It's
> a large and growing market. It's getting bigger because real people *do*
> care. It's the vegans that are not doing anything to change the way animals
> are raised for food. All they have is their hate, and of course their
> simple rule for their simple minds, 'eat no meat.' Doens't save animals in
> the long run, just replaces the ones that were on their plate with the ones
> they leave to suffer, die and rot in the fileds. Quite compassionate of
> them, right?



So if I don't eat a cow, she'll will suffer, die, and rot in a field?