"rick etter" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "will law" > wrote in message
> news:nZQid.209012$a85.48507@fed1read04...
> > rick etter wrote:
8<
>
>
>
>
> Good luck surviving on
> > that diet buddy.
> =================
> You can live on meats only better than you can veggies only. Unless of
> course you never wash your hands....

Nice anecdote Rick, have you got anything other than just-so stories?

> And besides....what about the farmers that shoot foxes
> > that come looking for chickens.
> =====================
> How many would that be? Hardly the munbers that are killed to protect,
or
> to just grow your crops.

Yes, where are those numbers Rick? 1000000 warm blooded sentient animals are
killed per hour for your meat habits, that doesn't include fish, and it
doesn't include all the animals a cow crushes and eats, or a hen pecks up.
How many die when a field of peas is harvested? Prove it is more per calorie
yielded vs meat. If you cannot prove this, you have no case.

> Or the animals that are eaten alive from
> > predators or that starve to death after you've removed all easy pickings
> > farm animals from the fields.
> =====================
> ROTFLMAO What 'easy pickings' animals would those be fool? The animals
> that die from predators and starvation are the ones that die after all
your
> crops are harvested. Try looking into the number of animals that can
live
> in a farm field. that can be 100s to 1000s *per acre*.

Those animals are killed by other meat eaters Rick, not vegans. Anyway, last
time a walked through I field of barley, I didn't see more than a pair of
pheasants. Arable land is not teaming with wildlife. But just how does
collateral damage make it okay to blow out Daisy's brains and steal her
baby?

> that allow for those numbers. The crops provide an unnatural amount of
food
> and cover for an area, allowing animal numbers to explode. Then, those
> crops are harvested. The surrounding cannot support the extra numbers as
> those areas will already be at their natural levels. The animals die
from
> predation due to lack of cover, and starvation due to lack of food for
their
> numbers. Crop farming is the definition of natural habitat destruction.
> Grasslands used for grazing are just what they were naturally.

great story, now provide some credible numbers and sources

> Why do you think people only eat organic?
> ======================
> So? Organic does not mean cruelty-free, killer. The methods are the
same,
> and pesticides are still used. Nice try at another strawman, but you've
> lost, again, killer.

Pesticides are only used on a few organic crops. Vegans are not killers
Rick, the non vegan farmers are - try getting your use of English language
and logic up to scratch.

> Now, go have that nice blood-drenched breakfast, killer.

More of your irrational and obnoxious diatribe. You like a blood drenched
breakfast, a vegan does not. I would prefer a few apples.

John