Scented Nectar wrote:
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>>>Well, I for one am not willing to give up all machinery
>>>and clothes (I'd get arrested!).
>>
>>Not for lewd behavior, but for being an eyesore.
>
> Such a nice guy! No wonder your wife is leaving you.
What wife, you dingbat? I have a girlfriend. She's not going anywhere.
>>>Why do you call it MY
>>>spew, when it's you trolls who keep bringing up your
>>>cd expectations of us.
>>
>>You're the ones who prate incessantly about dead animals and your own
>>virtue despite the fact that you still contribute to animal deaths via
>>your own consumption.
>
> In answer to trolls questions, I discuss cds. You keep
> bringing it up. I never claimed to be able to eliminate
> all cds, but a reduction is fine by me.
What reduction? How many fewer animals die as a result of your
consumption now than did just a month ago?
>>>My 'simple' rule of not eating animal products is first and
>>>foremost for health reasons.
>>
>>Liar. You know nothing about sound nutritional principles, only bad
>>generalizations you picked up from activists.
>
> I've been researching much longer than any activist
> websites have been around, in fact, before there
> was a web.
You're either a liar or you've nothing to show for all this supposed
"research."
>>>I know that I've also happened
>>>to reduce cds in my dietary change
>>
>>How many CDs have been reduced by your dietary change?
>
> I don't know the exact number,
Then how the **** do you know the score in your own life, dingbat?
> only the relativety to
> my previous meateating diet.
All you have is the shoddy, inaccurate comparison of a diet that
included meat and one that doesn't. Since you're not keeping any kind of
score, you have no clue how many or how few deaths you're really
causing. Everything on your part is a matter of wild-assed conjecture
and best hopes. In short, your new-found sanctimony suits you well.
> I know
You KNOW nothing. You assume (wrongly) that you're causing fewer deaths
merely on the basis that you're not consuming meat.
> I've caused a reduction of cds,
Are you keeping score other than trying to bullshit that "I don't eat
meat, therefore no animal (or fewer animals) died in the production of
my meals"? No. You're bluffing. You can fool yourself (and oviously
you're quite good at it), but you're not fooling anyone else.
> but don't know how many,
Precisely. You didn't know how many before, you don't know how many now,
and your blasé attitude pretty much points in the direction that you'll
never know because you're only concerned about your own
self-righteousness, not about animals.
> only comparatively when comparing vegan to meateating.
IOW, comparing apples and oranges through generalizations than through
specifics.
>>>I'm content with the dent I've made.
>>
>>You haven't made a dent.
>
> It's not one you'd see.
It sure as hell isn't one YOU see, either, by your own accounting.
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>>>On commercial farms, where most crops go for use as
>>>fodder, that's true. But on organic farms, that's not true.
>>
>>You're pulling this out of your acne-scarred ass. Most organic farms
>>are "commercial" farms. Organic farms use pesticides. They use machines to
>>sow, fertilize, and harvest crops. You're either ignorant or have
>>managed to reach a completely delusional state about the realities of
>>organic production -- that somehow it's idyllic and peaceful.
>
> On organic farms you won't find the rodent killing
> chemicals that turn their insides to mush.
Oh, please tell me your source for this information. Here are a few
details I can pass along to show otherwise:
Organic pesticides cause cancer in rodents (and humans):
One of organic farming's most widely used
pesticides--pyrethrum--has been classified as a ``likely human
carcinogen.'' An advisory committee to the Environmental
Protection Agency made the classification two years ago, after
pyrethrum caused higher-than-normal numbers of tumors in two
different sets of laboratory rodents.
http://www.cgfi.org/materials/articl...1/jun_8_01.htm
Organic pesticides induce Parkinson's Disease-like symptoms in rodents
(and humans):
Rotenone, a commonly used organic pesticide, has attracted a lot
of attention in Dr. Greenamyre's lab. In past studies, Dr.
Greenamyre and colleagues found that rotenone can induce major
features of PD in rats, including slowness, stiffness and
tremor. Published in Nature Neuroscience in November 2000, these
results support the idea that chronic exposure to environmental
pesticides may contribute to the incidence of Parkinson's
disease in humans. With the new funding, Dr. Greenamyre will
continue to research rodent and cell models of PD to determine
which genes cause susceptibility or resistance to the
PD-inducing effects of pesticides.
http://www.scienceblog.com/community.../20022444.html
Organic pesticides affect more than just target species:
Some organic pesticides may be toxic to nontargets.
http://www.nysipm.cornell.edu/public...are/which.html
Organic pesticides are as toxic as their synthetic counterparts, and
many of them are banned under the Rotterdam Convention:
The Convention has already been signed by 73 countries –
including Brazil – and ratified by 18. It will come into effect
once there are 50 signatory countries.The original products list
included 22 organic pesticides considered to be highly toxic...
http://www.nex.org.br/english/denuci...enenamento.htm
Finally, but not because I'm out of ammo on the subject, an organic
pesticide called Dichlorodiphenyl trichloroethane is banned because of
its pervasive toxicity. You probably have heard of it by its initials: DDT.
http://www.epa.gov/history/publications/formative6.htm
> As far as the slow moving machines go, I think there's
> been a bit of exaggeration regarding the numbers
You've claimed that it's wrong to kill animals, period. It's amusing how
relative your sense of morality is.
>>>I'd still rather take the bacterially grown (not petro) b12
>>>supplements.
>
>>>I forget the brand name, but I saved the message somewhere.
>>
>>So much for your fraudulent claim that you've researched all this
>>stuff for years. It's SOLGAR. Dummy.
>
> Learning about Solgar is quite recent for me.
Just like learning about CDs, omega FAs, organic pesticide dangers, etc.
Aren't you lucky others have been around to help you.
> I does not invalidate any of my previous learning.
Be honest, Skunky: it's hard to invalidate what never even existed.
>>>>>I have been the activist's recipe sites. I go for the
>>>>>recipes. I don't hang around to join a cause, even
>>>>>though it's a good one.
>>>>
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>>>>Then you did ly? You claimed you didn't go to them.
>>>
>>>I said I've been to very few. When I go to recipe sites from
>>>my listing, I'm there for the recipes. I hardly notice the other
>>>stuff there.
>>
>>Why do you parrot it verbatim, Polly?
>
> Are you sure I do?
Absolutely. :-)