On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:17:08 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:

>> > In answer to trolls questions, I discuss cds. You keep
>> > bringing it up. I never claimed to be able to eliminate
>> > all cds, but a reduction is fine by me.
>>
>> Hang on. How do you know you're "reducing?" By how many deaths have
>> you reduced in the last ten years, and how did you arrive at that
>> number?
>
>Let's see. A long time ago, I ate meat. For each
>pound of meat, it took a huge,huge amount of
>crops just to make one pound of meat.

Some animals are intensively reared for slaughter and
housed for their entire lives, feeding on crops which
accrue collateral deaths.

[Intensive rearing and finishing systems: Beef animals
reared for slaughter and housed for their entire lives.]
http://www.macaulay.ac.uk/livestocks...ngs/winter.htm

[Extensive systems of beef rearing are used by most UK
beef producers, with herds of cattle mainly grazing on
open grassland. 15-20% of the beef produced in the UK
comes from intensive systems where animals are kept in
crowded sheds for much of their lives, before slaughter
at 12-16 months.]
http://www.sustainweb.org/ffact_beef.asp

[6.1% of the beef systems in England use intensive rearing
and finishing systems where beef animals are reared for
slaughter and housed for their entire lives,
http://www.mluri.sari.ac.uk/livestoc...ngs/winter.htm

By abstaining from meat you automatically reduce the
collateral deaths associated with it from what they would
be if you were to continue eating it, and let's not forget
about all those cetacean bycatches you've removed from
your diet as well; they're huge!

>The
>larger the crop use, the more cds there are.
>Now that I've eliminated meat from my diet,
>I'm left with products that are lower cd, since
>it DOESN'T take a huge amount of crops to
>raise vegan food. No exact numbers for
>you, just logic.

When meat pushers start the counting game they hoist
themselves on their own petard because it's easily
shown that the meat they push causes more.