On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>"Reynard" > wrote in message ...
>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>> >
>> >Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>> >meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>> >last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>> >talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>> >therefore answer you.
>>
>> It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>> dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>> amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>> on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>> will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>> much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>> numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>> same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>> of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>> to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>
>I see through him.

We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
we get here on this forum. They're no better or worse
than drug pushers, in my opinion, because they push
their product onto non-users in the very same way with
the use of disinformation and lies about their product .
Should you or anyone resist what they push, they then
get nasty and sling insults at you for keeping the moral
high ground.

>He doesn't get basic concepts,
>so there's no way of getting more complex in
>conversation with him. One has to repeat things
>that he should have already understood from
>previous paragraphs/postings. Oh well.

You could go on repeating yourself if the pushers
don't take 'no' for an answer, but then that's just
word tennis and takes up all your valuable time
which you could be using to exchange ideas with
other vegetarians and vegans here. I'm guilty of
feeding the troll pushers myself though, so you'll
have to excuse my hypocrisy on this particular
point, if you will. ;-)

>Your comparison to littering is a good one.

Thanks.

> At least YOU get the concept!

I do, and so does 'usual suspect', but since becoming
a pusher he tries to forget his old quotes which belie
his current position.

"I dislike flesh, though my reasons for being vegan
are overwhelmingly health-oriented: I want to live
a long, healthy life, and I think the consumption of
meat, dairy, and eggs is bad for me, animals, my
environment, and the whole world. Is that first part
selfish? Perhaps to some people. Do the other,
more selfless consequences of my diet (no animal
must die for my nourishment or enjoyment, less
pollution and less harm to the environment, etc.)
mitigate the selfish notion of wanting to live long and
without serious health problems associated with an
animal-based diet?"
usual suspect Date: 2002-09-09

and

"Veganism costs less regardless of socio-economic
environs. Indeed, lesser well-off people are far more
likely to subsist on vegetarian diets; meat and dairy
are a product of 'advanced' society. It costs more to
produce dairy, beef, poultry, pork than grains,
vegetables, legumes; indeed, you must first raise the
latter to fatten the former. Skip the former entirely
and you have much more of the latter to feed the
world."
usual suspect Date: 2002-12-26

From those, 'usual suspect' clearly believed his vegan
lifestyle had "selfless consequences", namely, that "no
animal must die for [his] nourishment or enjoyment,
less pollution and less harm to the environment." He
tells a completely different story now he's a pusher
himself though.