Retard wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:36:25 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>
>>Retard wrote:
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>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:29:45 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
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>>>>Retard wrote:
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>>>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:22:16 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Retard wrote:
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>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:40:40 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:12:28 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:47:57 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:01:12 GMT, usual suspect > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:56:53 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Retard wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:25:27 -0500, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why a month ago, what's different now? I gave up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meat in 1981. Recently I've begun eliminating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>last of the dairy in my meals, so if it's that you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>talking about, I haven't kept records and can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>therefore answer you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's a bit like making a new year's resolution to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dropping litter. Even though you had no idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amount of litter you were dropping in 2004, holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on to your litter and disposing of it properly in 2005
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will mean you have reduced your littering, however
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>much littering you did prior to 2005. You don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>numbers to know you're reducing your litter, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>same goes for collateral deaths, so don't let the likes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 'usual suspect' tell you any different while he tries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to belittle and dismiss your efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I see through him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We all do. Since turning his back on veganism he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>become a meat pusher like all the other meat pushers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we get here on this forum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've recommended that people consume products which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>... they don't want,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>They don't want to actually do what they say they're doing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>><restore>
>>>They are
NOT
>>>doing exactly what they say they're doing:
Their claims include:
1. "Until we stop exploiting animals, billions will continue to abused,
neglected and killed."
http://www.theanimalspirit.com/vegan.html
This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too.
2. "Cruelty-free Diet Promoted at High Schools."
http://www.vivausa.org/newsreleases/02-01.html
This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too. Viva also claims to be
...a dynamic organization campaigning on behalf of animals
killed for food.
http://www.vivausa.org/index.html
They just mean the ones that actually end up on plates, not the ones
killed in the fields for their own food.
3. One AR site lists:
Cruelty free diets :
* Vegetarian use the discussion board for more help !
Lacto-ovo-vegetarian : eats both dairy products and
eggs.
Lacto-vegetarian : eats dairy products but not eggs.
Ovo-vegetarian : eats eggs but not dairy products.
* Vegan : does not eat dairy products, eggs or any other
animal or fish product.
* Fruitarian : eats only raw fruits
http://www.animalsuffering.com/
This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
humane slaughter which they object.
Etc.
Your point is flawed, you unemployed, morbidly obese dope. Vegans claim
to do a lot more than merely not eat meat. They claim that merely not
eating meat (or other animal products) has a certain result: the
cessation of animal deaths. They refuse to alter their behavior when
it's demonstrated that their consumption does NOT change the result they
seek. They're hypocritical poseurs for advocating a solution that
worsens the initial "problem" rather than addressing it in any
meaningful, practical way.
> You didn't comment on this,
I overlooked it. Thanks for pointing it out, fatso.