"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
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>> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
>>
>> I know, you slacker.
>
> How does that make me a slacker?
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It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though. Your
convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?


Just because
> I'm going to have to wait until retirement doesn't
> make me a slacker, just lucky or unlucky depending
> on how you look at it. Lucky for getting there
> someday, unlucky for it taking years. Slacking
> has nothing to do with it.
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No, lazy hypocrisy says it all, killer.


>
>> > You say "widely available
>> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
>> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
>>
>> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out some of
>> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
>
> How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
> elsewhere?
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Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at it? Does
those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land on your
plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the impact
your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it makes my
head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?


>
>> > Brand names please so we can all do the best we can.
>>
>> Clueless ****ing urbanite. That's your problem -- you prate about
>> "veganic" produce and then want brand names. Your affinity for
> branding
>> is what causes you to kill more animals with your consumption. Look
> for
>> local foods, refuse to buy anything grown more than 200 miles away
> from
>> your front door.
>
> And how does one tell them apart from others?
> The stores don't put the name of the farmers and
> locations for most foods.
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Cluesless urbanite, as was said above. Have you even trid a farmers
market? I know for a fact that there are some in Toronto, killer. But no,
you haven't. You're too self-absorbed and selfish to actually go out of
your way to evn make a tiny effort to live up to your ignorant claims of
'caring.'


>
>> > By the way, it's just ridiculous to suggest to a
>> > vegatarian or vegan that they eat meat.
>>
>> I didn't recommend you do that, Skunky. I suggested you recommend
> those
>> who eat meat to eat those kinds.
>
> I'll never recommend wild game. Extinction is permanent.
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LOL What a hoot!!! You're killing far more animals with your supermart
veggies, hypocrite.


>
>> > The intentional death is both more in-your-face
>>
>> In your face as opposed to burying your head about CDs?
>
> First of all, I don't believe there's as many deaths from
> slow moving farm machinery as you trolls would have
> me think.
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Why not? HJave you seen some of them in action? The size? Of course not.
Besides fool, even those that do escape the machine are left without any
food and cover, so they die anyway, killer. They die because of your
veggies! Their numbers are at unnatural levels for an area because your
crops have provided an unnatural amount of easy food and cover. Many
animals can breed several times a season, and they offsping can breed
several times too. Right when the numbers are at a peak, you take away
all the easy food and cover, leaving them to die of starvation and
predation. They also cannot just all scurry off into the surrounding areas
because those areas will already be at their natural capacity.


Secondly, any such deaths are accidental
> and not as abhorrent as an intentional death.
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Really? Why? They are just a s dead. And, they died in far more brutal,
inhumane ways than slaughterhouse animals do. Quite a selective compassion
you have there, hypocrite.

Did you
> know that a high number of serial killers start out by
> killing animals intentionally? I'm not saying you're a
> serial killer, but it says something of the mindset.
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LOL What a hoot! Clueless urbanite...


>
>> > and the health risks are unacceptable
>>
>> There are no adverse health risks. If anything, it's better for you
>> because you're not consuming a marginal diet that has only qualified
>> support from the major dietetic organizations.
>
> The vegan diet is not marginal. There is quite a lot
> of variety in the foods. Go check out my recipe
> directory if you don't believe it.
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Sure, as long as you spice it up with imported foods from around the world,
killer. Those are far from being 'vegan' in terms of the death and
suffering surrounding their transport, hypocrite. Besides, it does not
naturally provide all the vitamins you need.


snips...


>> Your childish sarcasm does nothing to address the fact that you
>> willfully and frequently consume something which is bad for you on
> many
>> levels despite your claims to be interested in good health. You're a
>> charlatan.
>
> No charlatan. I truly believe that it is good for me on a number of
> levels. I don't believe your 'facts' about its dangers. Most of what
> you claim, I've seen later disproven.
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No, you haven't, or you would have posted it all over usenet, killer.



>
>> > Get it right. I mentioned that hempseed oil contains omegas 3, 6 and
> 9.
>>
>> You said it was a good thing. You had no ****ing clue what you were
>> saying, you just wanted to repeat something you read on a pro-pot
>> website because you thought it was valid.
>
> It is a good thing. The body needs all 3 and this oil
> provides it. It's you trolls who started worrying that
> it might cause an overdose of omega 6, without
> even knowing how much is in there and how much
> the person is getting elsewhere in their diet.
>
>> > You trolls jumped on and exaggerated my including of 6 in there.
>>
>> No, I demonstrated that you're a mindless **** who mindlessly repeats
>> bullshit found on activist websites as though she the disinformation
>> she's peddling is the fruit of her "research."
>
> That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
> however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
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LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that proclaims
that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then m,akes no
mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.


>
>> > If every meateater switched to your 'better' meats, and did not
>> > reduce their consumption, then the above game would go extinct
>>
>> Bullshit. I've asked you to prove this claim, and I've also shared
> with
>> you population numbers between people and deer in Texas alone. Deer
> are
>> NOT an endangered species. Eating more of them would benefit deer in
> the
>> aggregate because of their overpopulation in most regions of the US
> (and
>> probably Canada, too).
>
> By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
> overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
> lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
> overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
> for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
> keep going down until they are extinct.
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Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?


>
>> > and the 'grassfed' herds would barely supply anyone else.
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
> If it could supply everyone, then the grasslands would have
> to support dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds
> of times the number of cows.
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Hey, clueless urbanite, *ALL* beef cattle are already grass-fed for almost
their whole lives. The pasture is already there, dolt. they only spend a
feww wekks of their lives in feedlots. You really are a clueless urbanite.


>
>> > Face
>> > it, the commercial meat industry supplies most meat eaters,
>>
>> Consumers drive demand, commercial supply doesn't drive demand.
>
> That's right, and your game and grass fed can't feed that demand.
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ROTFLMAO And your so-called mythical veganic gardening can? You really
are too stupid for words, killer. We aren't talking about the masses, we're
talking about what *you* as an individual *could* do to improve your bloody
footprints. But, you're too lazy and stupid to do anything real, so you
have to focus only on what you think others are doing. Nice strawman,
hypocrite, but one that's been knocked down many, many times...


>
>> > and as far as the cds you're fond of mentioning, the amount is many,
>> > many timesfold.
>>
>> That's not an issue except for the fact that you keep wanting to
> compare
>> apples to oranges.
>
> Cds are the issue. It's the thing that you trolls keep bringing up.
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And one that you like to ignore because otherwise your house of cards falls
down...


>
>> > What's your point? That vegans should balance their meals?
>>
>> Definitely. It takes more planning on a vegetarian diet.
>
> Only at first when one is unfamiliar with some of the foods.
> After that it's as easy as one's previous meat diet.
>
>> >>Ipse dixit, and what a pathetic little shit you are for bitching
> about
>> >>one kind of local production and then participating in it on a more
>> >>global scale.
>> >
>> > Ooo, a little mad are you?
>>
>> Not mad at all. Just pointing out your rank hypocrisy.
>
> If you feel so strongly against the import and export
> of foods, you must eat very bland meals. I think
> that the import and export increases the variety
> of foods availlable and is thus potentially more
> healthful.
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Then you admit that a vegan diet is unhealthy without massive importation?
Thanks for proving that you diet is filled with death and suffering and
hypocrisy, killer.


>
>> > Stop telling vegans what they should be doing.
>>
>> As long as you make categorical claims about things being right or
>> wrong, or nutritious or not, I will be here to correct you. Don't be
>> such a ****ing ingrate that I'm willing to volunteer such assistance.
>
> You're here to troll. Not to offer assistance. Assistance
> isn't 'offered' with insults and swearing at people.
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LOL Especially when the idiot getting the advice is willfully and
terminally ignorant, right hypocrite?


>
>> > You're no expert.
>>
>> I know a lot more than you about nutritional science, health, and
>> wellness than you ever will. I also know a lot more than you about
>> veganism and why it's a worse solution than the problems it seeks to
>> correct.
>
> Surely you must know that you're joking. I know what
> my years of research is, and where it's led me.
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LOL You're done no research, killer. You know it, and we know it. You far
to stupid in everything discussed here to have researched anything.


You
> know less than nothing about my research. Why would
> you think that I would go to an insulting, lying troll and
> ask for advise? And take that advise over my years
> of research? I don't think so.
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Of course not, your religion demands otherwise.


>
>> > You're not even vegan,
>>
>> Hurray! You finally admit it.
>
> Then why are you still here in alt.food.vegan? Do
> you now admit to trolling?
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
> Irony, ignorance and hypocrisy on display...
>