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> "Ron" > wrote in message
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> > "rick etter" > wrote:
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> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
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> >> > In article . net>,
> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article >, "Dutch"
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Reynard" > wrote
> >> >> >> > They are doing exactly what they say they're doing: abstaining
> >> >> >> > from meat, so stop pushing it onto them, pusher.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It's not about "pushing meat", it's about reminding vegans that
> >> >> >> their
> >> >> >> diets
> >> >> >> are not bloodless.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Unfortunately, arguments such as the one that Dutch makes assumes a
> >> >> > degree of responsibility for the actions of others that defies any
> >> >> > logical rationalization.
> >> >> =====================
> >> >> No, it defies your retardation, idiot. That you can't understand that
> >> >> any
> >> >> action that you take, that you know causes the exact result you claim
> >> >> to
> >> >> be
> >> >> avoiding and makes you culpable, is quite amusing.
> >> >
> >> > I stated my culpability. I am participating in allowing killers to kill
> >> > animals to provide safety and security to those who must live in
> >> > proximity to people who are thrive on bloodlust and the infliction of
> >> > pain, suffering and death. Like paedophilia, there is no known cure for
> >> > individuals who delight in the killing of animals. I choose it as a
> >> > 'lesser of two evils'. I am fully aware of what I do and why I do it.
> >> >
> >> > I eat meat several days each week to ensure that there is an ample
> >> > requirement for meat products as the meat killers are unwilling to
> >> > accept responsibility for their actions against animals. Like most
> >> > treatment and cure, until they can respond to their denial I must
> >> > moderate my choices. Since, I do know they are unwilling to accept
> >> > responsibility, I make my choices.
> >> ================
> >> Total lack of intellegent response noted. Total display of ignorance
> >> shown, yet again. Tell us again how yyou have determined that vegan
> >> food
> >> producers have all somehow become physco-paths, mr freud.
> >
> > Vegan food producers are rarely involved in killing.
> =======================
> Hey fool, you made the generalization that all food growers are meat-eating
> killers on the prowl. Don't blame me for your stupidity, idiot.

Incorrect. I applied Occam's Razor. In a situation where growers may be
meat eater or vegan, what was more likely.

> Food producers
> > (meat eating) producing food for vegans can and are involved in the
> > killing of animals. Killing animals en masse to grow a few fields is the
> > act of someone who is quite fine with killing.
> ==========================
> Imagine that, same way that vegan growers have to produce their crops....

CHOOSE TO. No one has to do anything unless they've chosen to do it. The
vegan CHOOSES to avoid killing animals which they accomplish. The grower
CHOOSES to kill animals such as birds, frogs, etc.

> Now would you like to
> > mention a few vegan farmers who are producing. Or will you continue to
> > make generalizations out of desperation.
> ==================
> LOL It's you that has been free with the generalization, pansy-boy.

I fear for any humans in your presence. This level of aggression is
quite disturbing.

> > Psychopaths? Well, I'm relying on your information here. Someone who is
> > willing to kill rodents, amphibians, birds etc. and en masse isn't
> > exactly stable in my view.
> =====================
> And the person that pays them to do this just so that their food is clean,
> cheap, and convenient is?

.. . not responsible for the choices of others. You are simply another
person who misguidedly assumes because of a few inconsistencies in law
that this theory is logical or moral. Holding a second person
responsible for the actions of another is an oddity in law, not a
consistently applied position.

> To delight in the destruction of those
> > animals and to that degree is obviously by someone who doesn't value
> > animals.
> ======================
> That woyuld be you, fool. You have other choices, yet yiou prefer to cause
> that aninmal death and suffering for your selfish reasons. Or, maybe you
> just like the idea of all that blood and guts, eh mr freud?

Not at all. As I stated, I prefer to see killers killing animals rather
than killing humans. That is the choice that I make. Since people won't
seek help for their aggressive tendencies, I must make a choice.

> Of course, killing amphibians to grow rice isn't really killing
> > an animal for food now, is it?
> ====================
> Really? Why not? The animals is just as dead, and there is now food on
> your plate.

The animal is dead because someone other than me killed it. They are, of
course, powerless to resist. They are powerless, of course, to choose
another occupation than killer of animals, or collateral killer of
animals. They must do my bidding. I command them. I am all powerful. I
demand and the world must respond. Like a pharoah, I pay a pittance and
the rest of the world must respond.

> >> >> > I admire vegans in that they do seem to be able to live up to their
> >> >> > ethical values. Vegans are certainly better than I am.
> >> >> ================
> >> >> LOL ANy body is, fool
> >> >
> >> > Have you considered raising livestock? Your level of aggression that
> >> > you
> >> > display towards humans might be better served killing animals.
> >> =====================
> >> Really? What animals are rasised for food for vegans, idiot?
> >
> > Do pay attention and stay on track. That you willfully ignore what Dutch
> > has written to further your opportunities for public abusive behaviour
> > makes you a prime candidate to raise livestock.
> ==========================
> Show me where I responded to a part with dutch ralking about livestock. All
> you have is a desire to change the subject suddenly. Why is that pansy-boy?

You responded to me where I was responding to Dutch. Please. Feigning
just doesn't suit you.

> I hope there aren't
> > weaker humans in your presence. Yikes, if a child or weaker individual
> > might disagree with you and do so in person.
> =======================
> And that would be what, mr freud?

You've demonstrated that you cannot contain your emotions when I
disagree with you. I question what you are capable of doing to other
humans who may disagree with you, or worse.

> > As you can see, violence is the nature of the beast. Some of us are able
> > to contain our emotions and moderate out actions and others....
> =====================
> Obviously you can't, because you continue to cause as much animals death and
> suffering as you can. Tell us why you like to kill by proxy, mr freud.

As possible? Clearly you know nothing of me, of my daily diet, or eating
habits. As stated, I allow through my inaction those killers to vent
their anger and aggression on animals to save the human community.

> >> >> They can live
> >> >> > their daily lives without having to kill.
> >> >> ==================
> >> >> What have you or I killed today? Personally I don't kill anything
> >> >> myself,
> >> >> so I guess to you I'm just as pure as a vegan, eh dolt?
> >> >
> >> > That would be correct. You and I are only responsible for our actions.
> >> > Neither of us killed anything today and neither did any vegan that I've
> >> > spoken with tody.
> >> =====================
> >> Yes, we are responsible for our actions. That your are trying to weasel
> >> your way out still doesn't work, fool. You knowing take actionas that
> >> result in animal deaths, you are culpable.

You are responsible for my actions? Do tell. This will be interesting.

> > What actions do I take? I think you might fit into the pathology that I
> > was mentioning earlier. Walk to store -- nothing dies. Plan menu en
> > route -- nothing dies. Walk through store -- nothing dies. Buy
> > ingredients -- nothing dies. Take out money -- nothing dies. Go home --
> > nothing dies. Eat my meal -- nothing dies.
> ======================
> Except that you are brain-dead, fool.

Have you considered buying a farm? That aggression is certainly not well
controlled.

> > Please define my actions of killing? What weapon did I use?
> =================
> Your lifestyle, pansy-boy...

More vagueness. I'll leave that as an ability to articulate a cogent
argument in response.

> >> > If you "feel" guilty, I suspect that is your difficulty and has nothing
> >> > to do with the fact that neither of killed an animal today.
> >> ======================
> >> And it still doesn't absolve either of us from the fact that animals died
> >> as
> >> a direct result of our *actions*. Kepp up the good work displaying your
> >> ignorance, pansy-boy.
> >
> > As a result of my actions? There you go put forth foolish arguments.
> > It's like the rapist who claims, "she made me do it". I now control you.
> > Anything you do is my fault. You are powerless to resist my every whim.
> > You must respond. You have no will, desire or control over your own
> > behaviour.
> ======================
> LOL Tell us why, mr freud.

I control the farmers of the world. I only need to want meat and they
all do my bidding. I am all powerful. I only need to think about my
meals for tomorrow and the poor slaves must rush out and kill in a mass
frenzy of blood and guts. I AM powerful. I walk into a grocery store and
people he world over feel an overwhelming compulsion to go out and kill
animals of all kinds. I AM the man.