In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote
> > "Dutch" > wrote:
>
> >> > If people need to blame me for their actions, well, I'm a big boy and
> >> > can handle that. The reality is, of course, that anyone who kills and
> >> > relies on the "they made me do it argument" is just being juvenile and
> >> > passing responsibility for their own actions.
> >>
> >> Who makes you place a demand for meat on the meat market?
> >
> > You do, Dutch.
>
> Bad answer.
>
> > I'm not responsible for my own actions under your
> > theoretical constructs.
>
> Nope, wrong again.
>
> > Someone else _must_ be responsible for my
> > demand.
>
> Nope, it's you.
>
> > How could I possibly be responsible for my own actions.
>
> How could anyone else?

So how could I be responsible for the farmers actions?

Of course, the farmer is nothing but a mindless pawn with no will. The
farmer cannot go to school. The farmer cannot change occupations. The
farmer cannot sell his land and use the money to start another business.
The farmer is powerless in the face of me. I control their activities. I
pull their strings. They are my puppets. I am ALL POWERFUL.

Why should the farmer accept any responsibility for their choice to kill
animals when they can blame me or a vegan. How sweet is that? They get
to kill and pass the buck. What a deal?

> If the
> > killer of animals isn't responsible for their actions
>
> They are.

NO they aren't. You've said as much.

> > then, how did I
> > become responsible for my actions?
>
> You always were.

Did you post something a while back about changing one's position
constituting the making of a hypocrite.

> >> > Until we can find a suitable treatment or cure for individuals who
> >> > delight in take the lives of other animals and would likely inflict
> >> > that
> >> > aggression on humans, my CHOICE is to allow the behaviour to continue.
> >> > As a matter of survival if it is the difference between a cow dying or
> >> > some crazed person who delights in killing animals being lose in the
> >> > community to fill their lust for blood and death -- the cow looses.
> >>
> >> Right, a process admittedly supported by you.
> >
> > Yup. Support it, hell, I'm willing to see government grants for former
> > and potential killers to keep them away from others.
>
> Nonsense

Why do you think I support farming grants through the actions of my
government? It keeps those who cannot control themselves and who are
unwilling to stop killing animals out of my neck of the woods. Keem em
busy and keep em away from me.

> > Better the cow gets it, than the famer's wife, kid, or someone in a
> > nearby town. Someone who has to kill that much is just plain mentally
> > ill and needs help.
>
> tripe

Please make a case that anyone who does kill and on that scale is of
sound mind. G'head.

Inflicting suffering on animals elicits emotions for humans. We are
conscious and aware of pain and suffering. We can empathize with other
animals who experience pain and suffering. To put a bullet into the
forehead of another animal requires a 'dissociation' of reality. This is
symbolic of the mentally ill. Further, most people don't engage in
killing animals, let alone en masse. This is reserved in society for
those who are unable and unwilling to control their violent tendencies.
To inflict suffering on an animal requires a sadistic personality. A
pleasure at seeing something else suffer. As a social response, we
create "jobs" for these people to do to keep them busy and away from the
rest of society. You'll notice that farms are usually positioned far
enough away from cluster of humans to minimize contact with those who
can act civilly.

If a person killing an animal is symbolic of a psychopath or sociopath
in our culture then what of the person who does it en masse.