In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote
> >> > "Dutch" > wrote:
> >>
> >> [..]
> >> >> Who is forcing you to do business with animal-killing farmers Ronny?
> >> >> Who
> >> >> is
> >> >> making you do it? Why are you attempting to avoid responsibility for
> >> >> your
> >> >> personal choices?
> >> >
> >> > My choice was to buy tomatoes today. That you've magnified that act
> >> > into
> >> > some deed of evil is more about you than me. I needed some tomatoes
> >> > today. I bought the ones that conformed to my needs.
> >>
> >> Indeed, and the animal-killing farmers in Mexico thank you for your
> >> contributions. They'll be clearing and spraying some more land to meet
> >> your
> >> insatiable appetite for tomatoes.
> >
> > Let's recap.
> >
> > I have purchased tomatoes in the past past 2 weeks, three times. Prior
> > to this, I purchased some in approximately May of 2004. Imagine my
> > surprise and chagrin to note that farmers still kill animals, use
> > pesticides, clear land and all of those things when I don't buy their
> > products. Could it be that they are responsible for their own actions? I
> > don't control the universe. They will still do what they do independent
> > of my actions.
>
> They are not independent of your actions, in fact they DEPEND on your
> demand. The reason nothing changes is that your demand is very small, but
> significant in principle.

Now you've changed the argument. They act independent of my action as
was demonstrated.

> >> > Evil, immoral me. Shoot me now. I bought tomatoes. I'm goin to hell in
> >> > a
> >> > handbasket now. I'm just a heathen tomato eater.
> >>
> >> Nah, I'll hire someone else to it, nothing wrong with that, right?
> >
> > That's right. The person who acts on it is the one I want in prison --
> > or farming, or both.
>
> Farmers in prison huh? Who is going to kill animals on your behalf then?

If they were all nicely tucked away, I would give up meat. The community
would be safe.