Ron wrote:
> In article >,
> usual suspect > wrote:
>
>
>>Twink Ron wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
>>>>>>>>production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>>>>>>>>drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
>>>>>>>>humane slaughter which they object.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You mean by meat-eating farmers hired by urbanite vegans to produce food
>>>>>>at the lowest possible price rather than the most peculiar set of
>>>>>>pseudo-ethics. Vegans are hypocritical scumbags, and so are you for so
>>>>>>feebly attempting to defend them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Scumbag? *hand goes to forehead in shock and horror*
>>>>
>>>>Drama queen.
>>>
>>>*bats eye lashes in flattered state*
>>
>>It's not flattery. Well, not to normal people.
>>
>>
>>>>>I find you evasive.
>>>>
>>>>Pot calling the kettle black. You write I'm evasive, while others have
>>>>written extensively that I'm too blunt.
>>>
>>>Blunt, as in being rude and abusive is different than evasive, as in
>>>elaborating on any point further than ....well, you know the drill.
>>
>>Some consider the elaborating to be rude and abusive: the truth hurts.
>>
>>
>>>>>Please clarify what ethical or moral code that any
>>>>>vegan is violating.
>>>>
>>>>Easy: *their own*.
>>>
>>>I'll clarify,
>>
>>You're not clarifying, Twink, you're trying to evade the issue. Vegans
>>prate about their high standards and then have a perverse indifference
>>to the net results of their diet. Their standard is not causing animal
>>suffering and death. The *results* of their lifestyles are filled with
>>animal suffering and death. They have other options available to them to
>>minimize animal suffering and death, but they're content to make
>>meaningless gestures, such as their irrational obsessions about animal
>>parts.
>>
>>
>>>what is the moral principle that you believe the vegan is
>>>violating when you state that they are not following their own moral
>>>code.
>>
>>It's a peculiar one of their own design, applied with tremendous amounts
>>of hypocrisy and sanctimony.
>>
>>
>>>Is this the platinum rule, the golden, or some other unnamed moral
>>>code?
>>
>>It's an oxymoron called "vegan ethics."
>
>
> Oh, if only it were true that vegans believed as you did that they are
> some hom responsible for the actions and outcomes of others.

He doesn't believe that "vegans" are responsible for
the actions of other. He believes, quite rightly, that
they share in responsibility for the deaths of animals
that are caused to produced the food they eat.

I suspect you *could* know that if you wanted to, but
because you're a snarky little sophist interested
solely in the appearance of cleverness rather than the
substance of learning, you choose to keep your eyes
firmly shut. Nice.