Ron wrote:
> In article >,
> usual suspect > wrote:
>
>
>>Twink Ron wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
>>>>>>>>production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>>>>>>>>drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
>>>>>>>>humane slaughter which they object.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You mean by meat-eating farmers hired by urbanite vegans to produce food
>>>>>>at the lowest possible price rather than the most peculiar set of
>>>>>>pseudo-ethics. Vegans are hypocritical scumbags, and so are you for so
>>>>>>feebly attempting to defend them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Scumbag? *hand goes to forehead in shock and horror*
>>>>
>>>>Drama queen.
>>>
>>>*bats eye lashes in flattered state*
>>
>>It's not flattery. Well, not to normal people.
>>
>>
>>>>>I find you evasive.
>>>>
>>>>Pot calling the kettle black. You write I'm evasive, while others have
>>>>written extensively that I'm too blunt.
>>>
>>>Blunt, as in being rude and abusive is different than evasive, as in
>>>elaborating on any point further than ....well, you know the drill.
>>
>>Some consider the elaborating to be rude and abusive: the truth hurts.
>>
>>
>>>>>Please clarify what ethical or moral code that any
>>>>>vegan is violating.
>>>>
>>>>Easy: *their own*.
>>>
>>>I'll clarify,
>>
>>You're not clarifying, Twink, you're trying to evade the issue. Vegans
>>prate about their high standards and then have a perverse indifference
>>to the net results of their diet. Their standard is not causing animal
>>suffering and death. The *results* of their lifestyles are filled with
>>animal suffering and death. They have other options available to them to
>>minimize animal suffering and death, but they're content to make
>>meaningless gestures, such as their irrational obsessions about animal
>>parts.
>>
>>
>>>what is the moral principle that you believe the vegan is
>>>violating when you state that they are not following their own moral
>>>code.
>>
>>It's a peculiar one of their own design, applied with tremendous amounts
>>of hypocrisy and sanctimony.
>>
>>
>>>Is this the platinum rule, the golden, or some other unnamed moral
>>>code?
>>
>>It's an oxymoron called "vegan ethics."
>
> Oh, if only it were true that vegans believed as you did that they are
> some hom responsible for the actions and outcomes of others.

Vegans are responsible for their own consumption and the manner in which
their own food is produced. They have a variety of options -- including
growing their own food or paying farmers to grow in a manner consistent
with "vegan ethics" -- but they choose instead to operate under the
delusion that their diet is cruelty-free merely because they don't eat
meat. Their consumption is as slothful as your abhorrent attempts to use
logic, Ron.