In article >,
usual suspect > wrote:

> Ron wrote:
> > In article >,
> > usual suspect > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Twink Ron wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
> >>>>>>>>production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >>>>>>>>drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> >>>>>>>>humane slaughter which they object.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You mean by meat-eating farmers hired by urbanite vegans to produce
> >>>>>>food
> >>>>>>at the lowest possible price rather than the most peculiar set of
> >>>>>>pseudo-ethics. Vegans are hypocritical scumbags, and so are you for so
> >>>>>>feebly attempting to defend them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Scumbag? *hand goes to forehead in shock and horror*
> >>>>
> >>>>Drama queen.
> >>>
> >>>*bats eye lashes in flattered state*
> >>
> >>It's not flattery. Well, not to normal people.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>I find you evasive.
> >>>>
> >>>>Pot calling the kettle black. You write I'm evasive, while others have
> >>>>written extensively that I'm too blunt.
> >>>
> >>>Blunt, as in being rude and abusive is different than evasive, as in
> >>>elaborating on any point further than ....well, you know the drill.
> >>
> >>Some consider the elaborating to be rude and abusive: the truth hurts.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>Please clarify what ethical or moral code that any
> >>>>>vegan is violating.
> >>>>
> >>>>Easy: *their own*.
> >>>
> >>>I'll clarify,
> >>
> >>You're not clarifying, Twink, you're trying to evade the issue. Vegans
> >>prate about their high standards and then have a perverse indifference
> >>to the net results of their diet. Their standard is not causing animal
> >>suffering and death. The *results* of their lifestyles are filled with
> >>animal suffering and death. They have other options available to them to
> >>minimize animal suffering and death, but they're content to make
> >>meaningless gestures, such as their irrational obsessions about animal
> >>parts.
> >>
> >>
> >>>what is the moral principle that you believe the vegan is
> >>>violating when you state that they are not following their own moral
> >>>code.
> >>
> >>It's a peculiar one of their own design, applied with tremendous amounts
> >>of hypocrisy and sanctimony.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Is this the platinum rule, the golden, or some other unnamed moral
> >>>code?
> >>
> >>It's an oxymoron called "vegan ethics."
> >
> > Oh, if only it were true that vegans believed as you did that they are
> > some hom responsible for the actions and outcomes of others.
>
> Vegans are responsible for their own consumption and the manner in which
> their own food is produced.

By what _moral_ principle are they responsible for the manner in which
their food is produced?

> They have a variety of options -- including
> growing their own food or paying farmers to grow in a manner consistent
> with "vegan ethics" -- but they choose instead to operate under the
> delusion that their diet is cruelty-free merely because they don't eat
> meat. Their consumption is as slothful as your abhorrent attempts to use
> logic, Ron.