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> "Ron" > wrote in message
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> > "rick etter" > wrote:
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> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
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> >> > In article . net>,
> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > In article . net>,
> >> >> > "rick etter" > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> ...
> >> >> >> > In article >, "Dutch"
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> "Reynard" > wrote
> >> >> >> >> > They are doing exactly what they say they're doing: abstaining
> >> >> >> >> > from meat, so stop pushing it onto them, pusher.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> It's not about "pushing meat", it's about reminding vegans that
> >> >> >> >> their
> >> >> >> >> diets
> >> >> >> >> are not bloodless.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Unfortunately, arguments such as the one that Dutch makes assumes
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > degree of responsibility for the actions of others that defies
> >> >> >> > any
> >> >> >> > logical rationalization.
> >> >> >> =====================
> >> >> >> No, it defies your retardation, idiot. That you can't understand
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> any
> >> >> >> action that you take, that you know causes the exact result you
> >> >> >> claim
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> avoiding and makes you culpable, is quite amusing.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I stated my culpability. I am participating in allowing killers to
> >> >> > kill
> >> >> > animals to provide safety and security to those who must live in
> >> >> > proximity to people who are thrive on bloodlust and the infliction
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > pain, suffering and death. Like paedophilia, there is no known cure
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > individuals who delight in the killing of animals. I choose it as a
> >> >> > 'lesser of two evils'. I am fully aware of what I do and why I do
> >> >> > it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I eat meat several days each week to ensure that there is an ample
> >> >> > requirement for meat products as the meat killers are unwilling to
> >> >> > accept responsibility for their actions against animals. Like most
> >> >> > treatment and cure, until they can respond to their denial I must
> >> >> > moderate my choices. Since, I do know they are unwilling to accept
> >> >> > responsibility, I make my choices.
> >> >> ================
> >> >> Total lack of intellegent response noted. Total display of ignorance
> >> >> shown, yet again. Tell us again how yyou have determined that vegan
> >> >> food
> >> >> producers have all somehow become physco-paths, mr freud.
> >> >
> >> > Vegan food producers are rarely involved in killing.
> >> =======================
> >> Hey fool, you made the generalization that all food growers are
> >> meat-eating
> >> killers on the prowl. Don't blame me for your stupidity, idiot.
> >
> > Incorrect. I applied Occam's Razor. In a situation where growers may be
> > meat eater or vegan, what was more likely.
> =======================
> You don't know. You made assumptions.

Uh, ya. That's why I wrote that I was applying Occam's Razor to the
situation. Re-stating the obvious is just foolish.

> >> Food producers
> >> > (meat eating) producing food for vegans can and are involved in the
> >> > killing of animals. Killing animals en masse to grow a few fields is
> >> > the
> >> > act of someone who is quite fine with killing.
> >> ==========================
> >> Imagine that, same way that vegan growers have to produce their crops....
> >
> > CHOOSE TO. No one has to do anything unless they've chosen to do it.
> =====================
> Very good, little boy. Now, if you choose to do one thing, buying cheap,
> clean, conveninet veggies that you know causes massive animal death and
> suffering, while claiming to to be doing all you can to reduce unnecessary
> death and suffering to animals, you are at the least, hypocritical, and most
> likely ignorant to boot. Choice is the whole point here. Vegans choose
> based only on the simple rule for their simple mind, 'eat no meat.' Despite
> the fact that they claim that animals are the primary goal.

I'm not responsible for what others do. I don't control what they do.

The second flaw in your reasoning, once again, is this silly notion that
one must do all to conform to a logical argument. We covered this with
the example of sodomizing children. Since you and I have time to
exchange witticisms then, we are not doing all that is possible to
protect children, ergo we must think it okay for children to be
sodomized. That is the product of your reasoning, Rick.

> The
> > vegan CHOOSES to avoid killing animals which they accomplish.
> ======================
> And your proof of this delusion is, pansy-boy? I await your cites.

Aw, another person who is going to google us to death. Cut and paste is
a poor substitute for a reasoned argument. I offered to examine
statistics, each time being declined.

> The grower
> > CHOOSES to kill animals such as birds, frogs, etc.
> =====================
> At the behest of the consumer fool. In this case, the vegan loon who has
> already made it a point of making grandious claims of not killing animals.
> The vegan *could* make choices that don't require the death and suffering of
> animals, but the ones here on usenet do not make those choices,. The
> vegan *could* choose a grower that chooses not to cause death and suffering,
> or become his own grower, but agaibn, the usenet vegan doesn't. He's too
> into looking for scapegoats to ease the guilty conscience they have.
> Afterall, as long as they can focus all their energy on what they think
> others are doing, they can conveninetly ignore their own bloody footprints.

Behest? You do make me laugh. They are my minions after all. I control
all the food growers with a single thought. I want and they must
respond. They have no choice. They must kill. I control their arms and
their equipment. I AM ALL POWERFUL. I think of meat or throw down a few
dollars and suddenly growers the world over feel compelled to respond to
my needs. They are my pawns in this delicious game of control that I
exert over everyone.

> >> Now would you like to
> >> > mention a few vegan farmers who are producing. Or will you continue to
> >> > make generalizations out of desperation.
> >> ==================
> >> LOL It's you that has been free with the generalization, pansy-boy.

Ah, the true mark of a coward. Will you threaten me with violence next?

> > I fear for any humans in your presence. This level of aggression is
> > quite disturbing.
> ====================
> I fear that you have nothing left to say, do you pansy-boy? lack of
> intelligent response, noted.
>
>
> >
> >> > Psychopaths? Well, I'm relying on your information here. Someone who is
> >> > willing to kill rodents, amphibians, birds etc. and en masse isn't
> >> > exactly stable in my view.
> >> =====================
> >> And the person that pays them to do this just so that their food is
> >> clean,
> >> cheap, and convenient is?
> >
> > . . not responsible for the choices of others.
> ========================
> He is responsible for his choices fool, and if those choices knowingly
> include the choice of buying the product of this mythical dereanged killer
> of your, the he, and you, are culpabale.
>
>
> You are simply another
> > person who misguidedly assumes because of a few inconsistencies in law
> > that this theory is logical or moral. Holding a second person
> > responsible for the actions of another is an oddity in law, not a
> > consistently applied position.
> > ============================
> LOL, lack of intelligent response, noted.
>
>
>
>
> >> To delight in the destruction of those
> >> > animals and to that degree is obviously by someone who doesn't value
> >> > animals.
> >> ======================
> >> That woyuld be you, fool. You have other choices, yet yiou prefer to
> >> cause
> >> that aninmal death and suffering for your selfish reasons. Or, maybe you
> >> just like the idea of all that blood and guts, eh mr freud?
> >
> > Not at all. As I stated, I prefer to see killers killing animals rather
> > than killing humans. That is the choice that I make. Since people won't
> > seek help for their aggressive tendencies, I must make a choice.
> ===========
> lack of intelligent response, noted.
>
>
> >
> >> Of course, killing amphibians to grow rice isn't really killing
> >> > an animal for food now, is it?
> >> ====================
> >> Really? Why not? The animals is just as dead, and there is now food on
> >> your plate.
> >
> > The animal is dead because someone other than me killed it. They are, of
> > course, powerless to resist. They are powerless, of course, to choose
> > another occupation than killer of animals, or collateral killer of
> > animals. They must do my bidding. I command them. I am all powerful. I
> > demand and the world must respond. Like a pharoah, I pay a pittance and
> > the rest of the world must respond.
> ==================
> lack of intelligent response, noted.
>
>
>
> >
> >> >> >> > I admire vegans in that they do seem to be able to live up to
> >> >> >> > their
> >> >> >> > ethical values. Vegans are certainly better than I am.
> >> >> >> ================
> >> >> >> LOL ANy body is, fool
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Have you considered raising livestock? Your level of aggression that
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > display towards humans might be better served killing animals.
> >> >> =====================
> >> >> Really? What animals are rasised for food for vegans, idiot?
> >> >
> >> > Do pay attention and stay on track. That you willfully ignore what
> >> > Dutch
> >> > has written to further your opportunities for public abusive behaviour
> >> > makes you a prime candidate to raise livestock.
> >> ==========================
> >> Show me where I responded to a part with dutch ralking about livestock.
> >> All
> >> you have is a desire to change the subject suddenly. Why is that
> >> pansy-boy?
> >
> > You responded to me where I was responding to Dutch. Please. Feigning
> > just doesn't suit you.
> > ==============================
> And no mention of livestock was in the response I replied to. You lied,
> again, But
>
>
>
> >> I hope there aren't
> >> > weaker humans in your presence. Yikes, if a child or weaker individual
> >> > might disagree with you and do so in person.
> >> =======================
> >> And that would be what, mr freud?
> >
> > You've demonstrated that you cannot contain your emotions when I
> > disagree with you. I question what you are capable of doing to other
> > humans who may disagree with you, or worse.
> ==========================
> LOL This from queer-boy? What a hoot!
>
>
> >
> >> > As you can see, violence is the nature of the beast. Some of us are
> >> > able
> >> > to contain our emotions and moderate out actions and others....
> >> =====================
> >> Obviously you can't, because you continue to cause as much animals death
> >> and
> >> suffering as you can. Tell us why you like to kill by proxy, mr freud.
> >
> > As possible? Clearly you know nothing of me, of my daily diet, or eating
> > habits. As stated, I allow through my inaction those killers to vent
> > their anger and aggression on animals to save the human community.
> > ===============
> lack of intelligent response, noted.
>
>
>
>
> >> >> >> They can live
> >> >> >> > their daily lives without having to kill.
> >> >> >> ==================
> >> >> >> What have you or I killed today? Personally I don't kill anything
> >> >> >> myself,
> >> >> >> so I guess to you I'm just as pure as a vegan, eh dolt?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That would be correct. You and I are only responsible for our
> >> >> > actions.
> >> >> > Neither of us killed anything today and neither did any vegan that
> >> >> > I've
> >> >> > spoken with tody.
> >> >> =====================
> >> >> Yes, we are responsible for our actions. That your are trying to
> >> >> weasel
> >> >> your way out still doesn't work, fool. You knowing take actionas
> >> >> that
> >> >> result in animal deaths, you are culpable.
> >
> > You are responsible for my actions? Do tell. This will be interesting.
> ==================
> Comprehension problems rearing its ugly head again Isee, eh pansy-boy?
>
>
>
> >
> >> > What actions do I take? I think you might fit into the pathology that I
> >> > was mentioning earlier. Walk to store -- nothing dies. Plan menu en
> >> > route -- nothing dies. Walk through store -- nothing dies. Buy
> >> > ingredients -- nothing dies. Take out money -- nothing dies. Go home --
> >> > nothing dies. Eat my meal -- nothing dies.
> >> ======================
> >> Except that you are brain-dead, fool.
> >
> > Have you considered buying a farm? That aggression is certainly not well
> > controlled.
> > ======================
> lack of intelligent response, noted.
>
>
>
> >> > Please define my actions of killing? What weapon did I use?
> >> =================
> >> Your lifestyle, pansy-boy...
> >
> > More vagueness. I'll leave that as an ability to articulate a cogent
> > argument in response.
> > ========================
> lack of intelligent response, noted.
>
>
> >> >> > If you "feel" guilty, I suspect that is your difficulty and has
> >> >> > nothing
> >> >> > to do with the fact that neither of killed an animal today.
> >> >> ======================
> >> >> And it still doesn't absolve either of us from the fact that animals
> >> >> died
> >> >> as
> >> >> a direct result of our *actions*. Kepp up the good work displaying
> >> >> your
> >> >> ignorance, pansy-boy.
> >> >
> >> > As a result of my actions? There you go put forth foolish arguments.
> >> > It's like the rapist who claims, "she made me do it". I now control
> >> > you.
> >> > Anything you do is my fault. You are powerless to resist my every whim.
> >> > You must respond. You have no will, desire or control over your own
> >> > behaviour.
> >> ======================
> >> LOL Tell us why, mr freud.
> >
> > I control the farmers of the world. I only need to want meat and they
> > all do my bidding. I am all powerful. I only need to think about my
> > meals for tomorrow and the poor slaves must rush out and kill in a mass
> > frenzy of blood and guts. I AM powerful. I walk into a grocery store and
> > people he world over feel an overwhelming compulsion to go out and kill
> > animals of all kinds. I AM the man.
> ====================
> lack of intelligent response, noted.