Ron wrote:
> In article >,
> usual suspect > wrote:
>
>
>>Ron wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> usual suspect > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Twink Ron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
>>>>>>>>>>production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>>>>>>>>>>drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
>>>>>>>>>>humane slaughter which they object.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You mean by meat-eating farmers hired by urbanite vegans to produce
>>>>>>>>food
>>>>>>>>at the lowest possible price rather than the most peculiar set of
>>>>>>>>pseudo-ethics. Vegans are hypocritical scumbags, and so are you for so
>>>>>>>>feebly attempting to defend them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Scumbag? *hand goes to forehead in shock and horror*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Drama queen.
>>>>>
>>>>>*bats eye lashes in flattered state*
>>>>
>>>>It's not flattery. Well, not to normal people.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>I find you evasive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pot calling the kettle black. You write I'm evasive, while others have
>>>>>>written extensively that I'm too blunt.
>>>>>
>>>>>Blunt, as in being rude and abusive is different than evasive, as in
>>>>>elaborating on any point further than ....well, you know the drill.
>>>>
>>>>Some consider the elaborating to be rude and abusive: the truth hurts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Please clarify what ethical or moral code that any
>>>>>>>vegan is violating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Easy: *their own*.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll clarify,
>>>>
>>>>You're not clarifying, Twink, you're trying to evade the issue. Vegans
>>>>prate about their high standards and then have a perverse indifference
>>>>to the net results of their diet. Their standard is not causing animal
>>>>suffering and death. The *results* of their lifestyles are filled with
>>>>animal suffering and death. They have other options available to them to
>>>>minimize animal suffering and death, but they're content to make
>>>>meaningless gestures, such as their irrational obsessions about animal
>>>>parts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>what is the moral principle that you believe the vegan is
>>>>>violating when you state that they are not following their own moral
>>>>>code.
>>>>
>>>>It's a peculiar one of their own design, applied with tremendous amounts
>>>>of hypocrisy and sanctimony.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Is this the platinum rule, the golden, or some other unnamed moral
>>>>>code?
>>>>
>>>>It's an oxymoron called "vegan ethics."
>>>
>>>Oh, if only it were true that vegans believed as you did that they are
>>>some hom responsible for the actions and outcomes of others.
>>
>>Vegans are responsible for their own consumption and the manner in which
>>their own food is produced.
>
>
> By what _moral_ principle are they responsible for the manner in which
> their food is produced?

*Their own*. See their websites, you stupid fudgepacker. Read their
literature. They claim to live cruelty-free lives and they oppose the
death of animals. Their consumption of mechanically-harvested foods,
transported and stored foods, etc., proves otherwise.

>>They have a variety of options -- including
>>growing their own food or paying farmers to grow in a manner consistent
>>with "vegan ethics" -- but they choose instead to operate under the
>>delusion that their diet is cruelty-free merely because they don't eat
>>meat. Their consumption is as slothful as your abhorrent attempts to use
>>logic, Ron.