In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Ron" > wrote
> >> >> > "Dutch" > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Recoiling and/or defending from threats is
> >> >> >> instinctive in all organisms.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Who is being threatened and by whom? Sorry, dutch, the paranoia
> >> >> > meter
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > just going off the scale.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Responding to a real threat is different than responding to an
> >> >> > imagine
> >> >> > threats. (Oops, there's my shadow.)
> >> >>
> >> >> Your participation in these discussions is a real threat to your
> >> >> carefully
> >> >> groomed terminal stupidity, and you are recoiling from it.
> >> >
> >> > Indeed.
> >>
> >> Then stop trying so hard.
> >>
> >> > Unfortunately, you've failed to respond in the past, so this is
> >> > unlikely to be different.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately you have a habit of asking nonsensical questions.
> >>
> >> > What is the likelihood of any of us being murdered versus the
> >> > likelihood
> >> > of any specific person being murder with factors that may make such an
> >> > act more likely to happen?
> >>
> >> Absolutely incoherent.
> >>
> >> > Imagined and real threats are different for anyone with an ability to
> >> > reason. One could be murdered, killed in a car wreck and so on, the
> >> > chances of these events happening though are quite slim for anyone of
> >> > us.
> >>
> >> All righty then...
> >
> > I was discussing risk assessment -- actual risk versus perceived risk.
> > You appear to be declining that discussion. I'll move on.
>
> I am presenting organisms as hard-wired for survival, harm-avoidance, which
> I propose forms the basis for morality. How does actual risk versus
> perceived risk advance the discussion? It seems like a non-sequitor.

Which assumes that we agree that we are hardwired for survival. It's
difficult to have a discussion on X when you refuse to accept that I
disagree with you on this point. There is ample evidence in humans and
other species that we operate contrary to survival which indicates to me
that this is NOT hardwired.

Feel free to believe what you do because it was taught to you, or you
read it, or it is the result of some other combination of factors.
Personally, I see evidence that contradicts the belief.