On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, shroomer wrote:

>
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>>
>> johny b wrote:
>>> I've recently been trying to eat mostly organic food for a healthier
>>> diet. Here in NJ we have Wholefoods and health shoppe (i'm sure
>> there
>>> are many more, i just haven't found them out yet). Upon researching
>> on
>>> the internet, there seems to be many debates as to what is considered
>>> and sold as organic at stores. Some claims have been made that the
>>> USDA allows some pesticides to be used yet still be labled as
>> organic.
>>> I would just like to hear some opinions as to how much healthier the
>>> food in these stores which claim to be organic really is. Is this a
>>> hoax etc.? Any information regardling what to look for and what to
>>> lookout for, or any valuable details is most appreciated.
>>
>> Organic Foods is a belief system (a religion if you will), if you
>> believe it's organic then it is... but in the US there is no government
>> Standard.
>
> See http://tinyurl.com/3m22m for specifications for USDA organic
> regulations. There are very specific rules for legally labeling food as
> organic. It includes certification, permissible farming methods, and
> testing. There are some pesticides permitted in organic agriculture.
> However, they are of the type that have a very short half-life and are used
> by a very small percentage of organic farmers. Organic agriculture isn't
> just about the use of fertilizers, it's also about responsible use of the
> land and water.

responsible use of land and water entails getting as much food as you can
from it, so as little as possible needs to be under cultivation (which in
of itself drains resources from the soil). so... you think by draining
the soil of resources, we are being responsible? We aren't. think again.
there are too many humans to be responsible about anything. (don't ask me
how I think you should be responsible.... ;-) )

>> If you drive an automobile, use airplanes, ride
>> a bus, go on steamship cruises, or engage in using any petrol driven
>> devices and think Organic Foods is based in reality then you are a
>> hypocrite.
>
> Not me, I admit that my car is not organic.

feh. no car. no bike. no bus. that's me! and I do not regularly buy
organic. e'en so, i'm probably doing more for the environment than those
who do.

>> But I'd not be too concerned with Organic (for those with
>> more dollars than brain cells), the human body is quite remarkable at
>> surviving.
>
> You should read more about the high incidence of cancer among the American
> population. Much of it is attributed to the use of pesticides, fertilizers,
> growth hormones, steroids, and other chemicals used in the production of our
> food.

damn little ****tards. quote sources (try medline, under epidemiology).
next, get your bloody facts straight.

Here, let _me_ help, out of the kindness of my heart (and pity). Try
infertility, or asthma. not cancer. the rise in cancer can be directly
attributed to the rise in... washing our hands. ;-). you live longer,
you die by other things.

carcinogenic compounds have been in our food since time immemorial.

>> The only thing organic about the organic produce section is
>> that it's bull shit... expensive bull shit.
>
> When's the last time you shopped for organic food? Try visiting Whole Foods
> or another natural food store and compare prices with what you buy in your
> usual grocery store. You will be surprised to find that most items are
> comparable in cost, and sometimes even lower.

whole foods? you mean the people who sell $50 watermelons?

nothing there is the same price. and that's not even counting sales.

lena