"Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Doug Kanter wrote:
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>> "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
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>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Doug Kanter wrote:
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>>>> "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Pan Ohco wrote:
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>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:31:43 -0500 (EST), Lena B Katz
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, TheAlligator wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> That last comment is the best reason of all to do one or both of:
>>>>>>>> I thank you for your comments, and your points are noted. She has
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> fear of guns, by the way. She can outshoot me on any given day, as
>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>> has since she was little. It's embarassing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just don't try using guns to defend yourself... it is _such_ a bad
>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>> if people want to use stuff to defend themselves, there are more
>>>>>>> practical
>>>>>>> ideas (like sound grenades).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry Lena. If you learn how to use a gun, it is really easy to
>>>>>> defend yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> not really. you need to be "good" with a gun to defend yourself. be
>>>>> "calm" in the face of danger. and, most of all, you've got to be able
>>>>> to
>>>>> see the other person.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can see the other person, that was his second mistake. The
>>>>> first
>>>>> was not wounding you severely on the first shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> but, you can find weapons that are more effective against ... more
>>>>> intelligent foes. and you shouldn't assume that the person attacking
>>>>> you
>>>>> is stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reaction of hearing a bullet/gunshot should never be reaching for
>>>>> your
>>>>> gun... it should be "hit the deck" followed shortly thereafter by
>>>>> creating
>>>>> a physical blockade of stuff between you and where the gunshot came
>>>>> from.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> never try to defend yourself with something that requires
>>>>>>> line-of-sight.
>>>>>>> in most situations, you're lucky if you have _awareness_ of an
>>>>>>> attack,
>>>>>>> before it occurs, let alone time enough to "point, aim, shoot"
>>>>>> Point, aim and shoot are instinctive if you are trained
>>>>>
>>>>> yeah. but they shouldn't be the only instincts you're trained with...
>>>>> and
>>>>> they're probably not the best instincts, anywhichway.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> guns are offensive weapons.
>>>>>> Many in this country are used for self defense
>>>>>
>>>>> by idiots, fighting idiots.
>>>>>
>>>>> lena
>>>>
>>>> Someone who drops an intruder in their home in the middle of the night
>>>> is
>>>> a
>>>> "fighting idiot"???
>>>
>>> That's not using it defensively. You're on the offense there, not the
>>> other person.
>>>
>>> Lena
>>
>> The definition of "defensively" depends on your perception of the
>> situation.
>
> bullshit. The definition of "defensive" is in the dictionary. According
> to your "definition"... it is self-defense to shoot at kids lighting
> fireworks on your property ("well, officer, it sounded like a mortar...").
>
> I thought I made it rather clear I was talking about tactics and strategy,
> and not necessarily about legalese.
>
>> If someone's in your home at 3:00 AM and you didn't invite them, do you
>> assume it's likely they will harm you, or not?
>
> You don't want me to answer this question. So I'll answer it for my
> parents: If a person was uninvited in their home, yes they would consider
> it likely that they would be harmed by the person.
>
>> I'll help you with this: Somewhere on this website: www.davekopel.org is
>> an
>> article about interviews with people serving time for burglary. The vast
>> majority said they tried very hard to choose homes which were unoccupied,
>> for obvious reasons.
>
> Well, duh.
>
>> You can draw your own conclusions about that, but mine
>> is that if a burglar enters a home that is occupied, he is fully prepared
>> and willing to deal with whatever happens.
>
> mistakes happen. I doubt your house is nearly as prepared to defend
> against a robber as you think. (are you a light sleeper?).
>
> Lena

I'm a heavy sleeper, but I've engineered the noisiest doors and deadbolts
you could possibly imagine.