On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Doug Kanter wrote:

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> "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Doug Kanter wrote:
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>>> "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
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>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Doug Kanter wrote:
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>>>>> "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
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>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Pan Ohco wrote:
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>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:31:43 -0500 (EST), Lena B Katz
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, TheAlligator wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> That last comment is the best reason of all to do one or both of:
>>>>>>>>> I thank you for your comments, and your points are noted. She has
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> fear of guns, by the way. She can outshoot me on any given day, as
>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>> has since she was little. It's embarassing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just don't try using guns to defend yourself... it is _such_ a bad
>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>> if people want to use stuff to defend themselves, there are more
>>>>>>>> practical
>>>>>>>> ideas (like sound grenades).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry Lena. If you learn how to use a gun, it is really easy to
>>>>>>> defend yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> not really. you need to be "good" with a gun to defend yourself. be
>>>>>> "calm" in the face of danger. and, most of all, you've got to be able
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> see the other person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you can see the other person, that was his second mistake. The
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> was not wounding you severely on the first shot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but, you can find weapons that are more effective against ... more
>>>>>> intelligent foes. and you shouldn't assume that the person attacking
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> is stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reaction of hearing a bullet/gunshot should never be reaching for
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> gun... it should be "hit the deck" followed shortly thereafter by
>>>>>> creating
>>>>>> a physical blockade of stuff between you and where the gunshot came
>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> never try to defend yourself with something that requires
>>>>>>>> line-of-sight.
>>>>>>>> in most situations, you're lucky if you have _awareness_ of an
>>>>>>>> attack,
>>>>>>>> before it occurs, let alone time enough to "point, aim, shoot"
>>>>>>> Point, aim and shoot are instinctive if you are trained
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yeah. but they shouldn't be the only instincts you're trained with...
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> they're probably not the best instincts, anywhichway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> guns are offensive weapons.
>>>>>>> Many in this country are used for self defense
>>>>>>
>>>>>> by idiots, fighting idiots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lena
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone who drops an intruder in their home in the middle of the night
>>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>> "fighting idiot"???
>>>>
>>>> That's not using it defensively. You're on the offense there, not the
>>>> other person.
>>>>
>>>> Lena
>>>
>>> The definition of "defensively" depends on your perception of the
>>> situation.
>>
>> bullshit. The definition of "defensive" is in the dictionary. According
>> to your "definition"... it is self-defense to shoot at kids lighting
>> fireworks on your property ("well, officer, it sounded like a mortar...").
>>
>> I thought I made it rather clear I was talking about tactics and strategy,
>> and not necessarily about legalese.
>>
>>> If someone's in your home at 3:00 AM and you didn't invite them, do you
>>> assume it's likely they will harm you, or not?
>>
>> You don't want me to answer this question. So I'll answer it for my
>> parents: If a person was uninvited in their home, yes they would consider
>> it likely that they would be harmed by the person.
>>
>>> I'll help you with this: Somewhere on this website: www.davekopel.org is
>>> an
>>> article about interviews with people serving time for burglary. The vast
>>> majority said they tried very hard to choose homes which were unoccupied,
>>> for obvious reasons.
>>
>> Well, duh.
>>
>>> You can draw your own conclusions about that, but mine
>>> is that if a burglar enters a home that is occupied, he is fully prepared
>>> and willing to deal with whatever happens.
>>
>> mistakes happen. I doubt your house is nearly as prepared to defend
>> against a robber as you think. (are you a light sleeper?).
>>
>> Lena
>
> I'm a heavy sleeper, but I've engineered the noisiest doors and deadbolts
> you could possibly imagine.

Good lad. All you need now is a few clever traps, and that burglar won't
even be getting indoors. (traps are a much better way of defending a
house, because you don't even need to be there to stop the burglar).

Lena