"Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Doug Kanter wrote:
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>> "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
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>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Doug Kanter wrote:
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>>>> "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
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>>>>> I must admit, I am rather dismayed at the markedly provincial nature
>>>>> of
>>>>> this board (at least the posters on this thread). You'd think that
>>>>> they'd
>>>>> never traveled _anywhere_!
>>>>>
>>>>> "uh.... i'm in Amerika, therefore this entire discussion revolves
>>>>> around
>>>>> Amerika."
>>>>>
>>>>> dude, people.... get a life.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone else here is smart enough not to hypothesize about safety and
>>>> crime
>>>> conditions in places they're not familiar with. So, rather than pull
>>>> stupid
>>>> ideas out of our asses, we've confined our comments to those which come
>>>> from
>>>> knowledge of this country.
>>>
>>> Your knowledge seems... rather limited. How much time have you spent in
>>> Harlem, anywhichway? Do you feel competent enough to talk about it?
>>> How
>>> about L.A.?
>>>
>>> lena
>>
>> The time you spend in a certain neighborhood is in no way related to your
>> fastasy definitions of the pieces of metal we call guns, or how they
>> operate. If I'm wrong, then the following is true:
>
> Next you're gonna tell me that black steel (or white steel) don't
> exist...?
>
> Your knowledge of the black market in "custom-made" armament influences
> what you consider to be truth.

What goes on in Harlem does not make it OK for you to suggest that a normal
citizen should think about protecting herself in the same way as a member of
a U.N. peacekeeping force stationed in some hell hole in Africa.

In addition, the conditions in a neighborhood are in no way connected with
the physical qualities of an object, like a gun. In other words, you've been
saying "Because things are rough in Harlem, I, Lena Katz, am free to imagine
certain fictional qualities about guns". Well...yes, you are free to imagine
such things, but not to claim that your fantasies are real. In fact, what
you are unable to do is say this:

"I, Lena Katz, started a discussion by making certain ridiculous claims
about guns, based on misundertandings of things supposedly told to me by
military people who, in fact, would never say such things. Unfortunately, I
know as much about guns as I do about repairing diesel engines, and
should've kept my mouth shut before I dug myself a hole so deep that I could
no longer see the sky above'".



>> "I've never been to Wilmington, Delaware. Therefore, a revolver can be
>> loaded with as many rounds of ammo as the user wants".
>
> For instance, if you don't believe that the black market has access to
> more interesting stuff, you're going to believe whatever the gun
> manufacturers say is the maximum amount of ammo.

Oh boy. This is full of possibilities.

1) The black market, as you call it, has access to nothing that's unique to
any gun user who cares to take the time to explore. Using ammo as an
example, there's an endless variety of "recipes", limited only by the
imagination of the person doing the hand loading. Legal gun owners do this
all the time. The ideas flow from military to the public and back, in an
infinite kind of information highway. It's a yawn.

2) "believe whatever the gun manufacturers say" ??? See above. There is no
curtain of secrecy hiding the possibilities of what guns can do. It's public
information.



> But that's just a stupid way to think about it. Obviously, a revolver can
> be forged that can be loaded with as much rounds as you want.

My point was that you are equating where a person has lived with what is
possible or likely to be true about a mechanical device, whether it be a gun
or a can opener.