On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Peter Aitken wrote:
> "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Peter Aitken wrote:
> >
> > > "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Peter Aitken wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > <snipped>
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you want to be truly obnoxious to vegetarians (something, I for
> > > one,
> > > > > > applaud, as long as it is done delicately)... try explaining to
> them
> > > why
> > > > > > sugar isn't vegetarian (they put bone ash in it as an
> anti-coagulant).
> > > > > > Most of the idiotic vegetarians will go "eek!"... it's quite fun.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the more serious ones will say, "yeah, so what?" and you'll
> know
> > > that
> > > > > > they're actually a competent vegetarian (and thus worthy of a good
> > > deal
> > > > > > more respect than the suneaters).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lena
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have any evidence to back up this notion? I have never seen
> any
> > > sugar
> > > > > that lists bone ash as an ingredient - some list cornstarch but
> that's
> > > all.
> > > > > My guess is that a truly competent vegetarian will simply tell you
> that
> > > you
> > > > > are wrong.
> > > >
> > > > ...i've never seen cornstarch listed. must look at organic sugar
> > > > sometime.
> > > >
> > > > You should look more closely... look for something with calcium in
> it--of
> > > > course they aren't going to just tell you about bone ash.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ebonex.com/hist.htm
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ultimatelife.com/CatSweet.htm
> > > >
> > > > http://members.cox.net/pnienstedt/processed_sugar.htm
> > > >
> > > > http://www.orahsaddiqim.org/Kashrut/..._Sucrose.shtml
> > > >
> > > > of course, if you've ever distilled sugar, you'll know immediately
> that it
> > > > has bone ash in it, as the crystallization properties of the two are
> quite
> > > > different (and the bone ash needs to be filtered out, before you get
> good
> > > > sugar)
> > > >
> > > > Lena
> > >
> > > Hmm, let's see. Your first cite refers to using bone ash in making sugar
> in
> > > the 1700s and 1800s. Hardly relevant to sugar today.
> >
> > rather stupid of you to try to discredit something added for historical
> > background... fits in with a mindset of "she is wrong... everything she
> > said must not be credible."
>
> > > Your second cite is a web page for a company that's trying to scare
> people
> > > away from using sugar so it is hardly a good source. Even if what they
> say
> > > is true, it says that the ash is used in the production process and
> *not*
> > > that it is present in the final product, which is what you are claiming.
> The
> > > same comments apply to your third cite.
> >
> > Indeed. I will, if you like, cite further sources saying that bone ash is
> > in fact present in the final product.
> >
> > Lena
> >
>
> You are going to provide new cites that prove that your original cites -
> specifically the fourth one that says there is no bone in the finshed
> product - are wrong? Sure, go right ahead. But why should we believe your
> new cites over your old cites? It is telling that in your reply you make a
> point of ignoring your 4th cite which specifically and directly contradicts
> your claim that sugar contains bone ash. Care to explain why?
would you like me to critique the portion of the jewish faith that keeps
kosher? I can do so very easily. for example, all forms of leavening are
forbidden on passover... except for baking soda, yeast, and other modern
leavening ingredients. I sincerely doubt that the site has ever exposed
sugar to a microscopic analysis, or even would be able to explain why not
all the sugar dissolves in water.
I'm not saying that a large proportion of bone ash is left there... but
i'm also not trying to tell you that rat hair isn't in candy bars either
(we all know it is... they're almost impossible to keep out. that's why
we have laws regulating the amount of rat hair...).
Lena
and my other sources have more credible knowledge of chemistry/physics
particularly as it applies to organic molecules. Hell, I've got more
qualifications than that site does, myself.