"Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
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>
>
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Peter Aitken wrote:
>
> > "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Peter Aitken wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Peter Aitken wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Lena B Katz" > wrote in message
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > <snipped>
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you want to be truly obnoxious to vegetarians (something, I
for
> > > > one,
> > > > > > > applaud, as long as it is done delicately)... try explaining
to
> > them
> > > > why
> > > > > > > sugar isn't vegetarian (they put bone ash in it as an
> > anti-coagulant).
> > > > > > > Most of the idiotic vegetarians will go "eek!"... it's quite
fun.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And the more serious ones will say, "yeah, so what?" and
you'll
> > know
> > > > that
> > > > > > > they're actually a competent vegetarian (and thus worthy of a
good
> > > > deal
> > > > > > > more respect than the suneaters).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lena
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you have any evidence to back up this notion? I have never
seen
> > any
> > > > sugar
> > > > > > that lists bone ash as an ingredient - some list cornstarch but
> > that's
> > > > all.
> > > > > > My guess is that a truly competent vegetarian will simply tell
you
> > that
> > > > you
> > > > > > are wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...i've never seen cornstarch listed. must look at organic sugar
> > > > > sometime.
> > > > >
> > > > > You should look more closely... look for something with calcium in
> > it--of
> > > > > course they aren't going to just tell you about bone ash.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.ebonex.com/hist.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.ultimatelife.com/CatSweet.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > http://members.cox.net/pnienstedt/processed_sugar.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.orahsaddiqim.org/Kashrut/..._Sucrose.shtml
> > > > >
> > > > > of course, if you've ever distilled sugar, you'll know immediately
> > that it
> > > > > has bone ash in it, as the crystallization properties of the two
are
> > quite
> > > > > different (and the bone ash needs to be filtered out, before you
get
> > good
> > > > > sugar)
> > > > >
> > > > > Lena
> > > >
> > > > Hmm, let's see. Your first cite refers to using bone ash in making
sugar
> > in
> > > > the 1700s and 1800s. Hardly relevant to sugar today.
> > >
> > > rather stupid of you to try to discredit something added for
historical
> > > background... fits in with a mindset of "she is wrong... everything
she
> > > said must not be credible."
> >
> > > > Your second cite is a web page for a company that's trying to scare
> > people
> > > > away from using sugar so it is hardly a good source. Even if what
they
> > say
> > > > is true, it says that the ash is used in the production process and
> > *not*
> > > > that it is present in the final product, which is what you are
claiming.
> > The
> > > > same comments apply to your third cite.
> > >
> > > Indeed. I will, if you like, cite further sources saying that bone
ash is
> > > in fact present in the final product.
> > >
> > > Lena
> > >
> >
> > You are going to provide new cites that prove that your original cites -
> > specifically the fourth one that says there is no bone in the finshed
> > product - are wrong? Sure, go right ahead. But why should we believe
your
> > new cites over your old cites? It is telling that in your reply you make
a
> > point of ignoring your 4th cite which specifically and directly
contradicts
> > your claim that sugar contains bone ash. Care to explain why?
>
> would you like me to critique the portion of the jewish faith that keeps
> kosher? I can do so very easily. for example, all forms of leavening are
> forbidden on passover... except for baking soda, yeast, and other modern
> leavening ingredients. I sincerely doubt that the site has ever exposed
> sugar to a microscopic analysis, or even would be able to explain why not
> all the sugar dissolves in water.
>
> I'm not saying that a large proportion of bone ash is left there... but
> i'm also not trying to tell you that rat hair isn't in candy bars either
> (we all know it is... they're almost impossible to keep out. that's why
> we have laws regulating the amount of rat hair...).
>
> Lena
>
> and my other sources have more credible knowledge of chemistry/physics
> particularly as it applies to organic molecules. Hell, I've got more
> qualifications than that site does, myself.
I feel sorry for you. I do not like to insult people, but you really are
astoundingly ignorant. As only a single example, do you really believe that
yeast is not considered a leavening ingredient? When pinned up against the
wall you change the subject to totally unrelated things rather than
addressing the topic at hand. You are not fooling anybody with an IQ above
room temperature. Why are you so resistant to learning anything? I have been
wrong many times, but each time I have used the situation to learn
something. Yet you prefer to remain ignorant. Is admitting you are wrong so
painful for you? Too bad.
By the way, you promised to provide cites supporting your position thar bone
ash is present in sugar- where are they?
I am done with this thread. I'd rather go and talk to the tree stump in my
back yard.
--
Peter Aitken
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