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> Hi again Nils,
> This one I leave untranslated as you probably know French better than I
> do:
> Son origine est incertaine. Il aurait été rapporté de Hongrie par le
> général autrichien Schwendi, qui possédait une propriété viticole en
> Alsace. Mais d'aucuns assurent que ce cépage proviendrait de Bourgogne. Il
> n'a cependant rien à voir avec son homonyme hongrois (prononcez tokaï)
> qui, lui, est issu du cépage furmint.


Ah yes, the gentle lazar Schwendi who sacked Tokaji and returned with 4000
barrels of ... some sort of Tokaji wine, which most likely was not Aszu as
we know it, but might very well have been a sweet wine made from the grape
furmint, or haszlarvelu.
As for the wine originating in Hungary, as the first post states (in a
quote, of course), weeerrrll ... I don´t know. Pinot Gris is cultivated in
Western Hungary, under the name Szurkebarat (Grey Friar), but how long that
has been the case? I think I´ll stick to the pedestrian wisdom taht it
originated in Bourgogne, as a slightly de-pigmented clone of Pinot Noir ...
It would of course be interesting for us amateur Aspergers to know that the
mention in 1689 was the _very_ _first_ mention of PG. And by an apothecary,
no less. ANyway, that would ccount for the German name Ruländer. (Funny, in
Cseckia, there is a wine called Rulandske which, apaprently, is something
else).
This helps me to plot the time line of the variety, but I still would dearly
like to know when the name Tokay (referring to PG) first is recorded.
Thank you Anders, you hjave been very helpful!

Cheers

Nils Gustaf
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