Rudy Canoza wrote:

> > > Fish are animals, no matter how you want to rationalize it away.
> >
> > Your point being?
>
> You aren't a "vegan" if you eat them,

I don't claim to be a vegan.

>*and* your attempt to rationalize
> why you eat them is crap.

Whatever.

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> > > > Other considerations: Consumption of fish is recommended by
> > > > nutrition experts who don't have a vegetarian agenda.
> > >
> > > So is the consumption of limited amounts of lean meat, and dairy
> > > products. But they aren't vegetarian, and sure as hell aren't "vegan".
> >
> > Lean meat is often presented as having a place in a healthy balanced
> > diet
>
> It has one.
>
>
> > and some sources advise against red meat without noting
> > exceptions.
>
> They're wrong.

If you say so.

> > It is not generally specifically recommended in the same way that
> > fish is. Dairy products are rather controversial, recommended by some,
> > frowned upon by others.
>
> *None* of them are "vegan", including fish.

Oh, aren't you a clever boy.

> > > > In general it takes more land and more energy to grow meat
> > > > than it does to grow vegetables.
> > >
> > > That's an utterly irrelevant point.
> >
> > It is a standard argument used by vegetarians
>
> It is utterly irrelevant.

No it isn't.

> > and it is hard
> > to argue against the idea that more efficient use of the
> > planet's limited resources is desirable.
>
> It's a total misrepresentation of what "efficiency" is. There is
> NOTHING "inefficient" about using land and other resources to produce
> meat.

Check out this comparison for usable protein yields per acre
from different foods. Soybeans 356, Rice 261, Corn 211, Other
legumes 192, Wheat 138, Milk 82, Eggs 78, Meat (all types 45)
,Beef 20. Consider what % of the calories in each of these
foods is protein and the comparison becomes even less favourable
to the animal foods. My source is a leaflet published by CIWF.
The source they quote is: USDA; FAO/WHO/UNICEF Protein Advisory
Group.

> > > > This argument is widely
> > > > used to justify vegetarian diets but doesn't apply to fish.
> > >
> > > Of course it applies to fish, you dummy.
> >
> > Is it possible to have a conversation on this newsgroup
> > without insults being thrown around like confetti?
>
> Stop saying absolutely and unequivocally silly and stupid things, and
> then check to see if it's possible.

So you won't be uncivil if I agree with you? How kind;-)

> > > Most fish are "farm raised".
> >
> > Not the fish I eat!
>
> Baloney. If you ever eat salmon or catfish, you're most likely eating
> farm-raised fish.

In my country, labelling regulations require that the origin of fish,
including whether they were wild or farmed must be stated. I have never
eaten catfish. Wild Salmon is easy enough to come by.

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