Derek wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:38:17 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>
>>Derek wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:14:53 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Derek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:21:42 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:08:58 +0100, Derek > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Claim and Standard:
>>>>>>>[sbull] Grass Fed.--Grass, green or range pasture, or
>>>>>>>forage shall be 80% or more of the primary energy
>>>>>>>source throughout the animal's life cycle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dated: December 20, 2002.
>>>>>>>A.J. Yates,
>>>>>>>Administrator, Agricultural Marketing Service.
>>>>>>>[FR Doc. 02-32806 Filed 12-27-02; 8:45 am]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BILLING CODE 3410-02-P]
>>>>>>>http://www.ams.usda.gov/lsg/stand/ls0202.txt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>These "proposed minimum requirements mean that
>>>>>>>grass fed beef can in fact be fed up to 80% grains for
>>>>>>>60 days in a feedlot, just like any other steer, and still
>>>>>>>qualify as grass fed beef.
>>>>>>>Grass fed beef, then, isn't exactly what it's name
>>>>>>>implies,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're not lying
>>>>>
>>>>>The evidence before you and which you'll ignore
>>>>>at any cost to your already ruined integrity is from
>>>>>U.S.D.A.
>>>>
>>>>False.
>>>
>>>No, it's perfectly true.
>>
>>No, it's false.
>
>
> Go to the links and find yourself on U.S.D.A.

Been there, long before you found it. Your claim is false.


>>You have reposted producers' public
>>comments. You have not posted a USDA standard.
>
>
> I've produced both the standard

FALSE. You have "produced" only a PROPOSED standard.


>>>>***No consensus standards currently exist*** for
>>>>production or marketing claims related to meat and
>>>>livestock products.
>>>
>>>Yet you earlier claimed their was a standard, and that
>>>that standard is followed.
>>
>>No. There IS an implied standard. It's not a USDA
>>standard.
>
>
> As things stand at the moment, according to U.S.D.A.
>
> "Some segments of the livestock and meat industries
> make claims to distinguish their products from
> competing products and may request third-party
> verification by USDA to increase the credibility of
> their claims."
> http://www.ams.usda.gov/lsg/stand/ls0202.txt
>
> As we can plainly see, so-called grass fed beef
> producers are lying

No, there's nothing at all to indicate they're lying.