On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:50:17 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>Derek wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:20:15 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>Derek wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:56:45 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>>>Derek wrote:
>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:38:17 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>>>>>Derek wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:14:53 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Derek wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:21:42 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:08:58 +0100, Derek > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Claim and Standard:
>>>>>>>>>>>>[sbull] Grass Fed.--Grass, green or range pasture, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>forage shall be 80% or more of the primary energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>source throughout the animal's life cycle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dated: December 20, 2002.
>>>>>>>>>>>>A.J. Yates,
>>>>>>>>>>>>Administrator, Agricultural Marketing Service.
>>>>>>>>>>>>[FR Doc. 02-32806 Filed 12-27-02; 8:45 am]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>BILLING CODE 3410-02-P]
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.ams.usda.gov/lsg/stand/ls0202.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>These "proposed minimum requirements mean that
>>>>>>>>>>>>grass fed beef can in fact be fed up to 80% grains for
>>>>>>>>>>>>60 days in a feedlot, just like any other steer, and still
>>>>>>>>>>>>qualify as grass fed beef.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Grass fed beef, then, isn't exactly what it's name
>>>>>>>>>>>>implies,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If you're not lying
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The evidence before you and which you'll ignore
>>>>>>>>>>at any cost to your already ruined integrity is from
>>>>>>>>>>U.S.D.A.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>False.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, it's perfectly true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, it's false.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Go to the links and find yourself on U.S.D.A.
>>>>>
>>>>>Been there, long before you found it.
>>>>
>>>>Then you will no option but to agree that the
>>>>evidence I put before Harrison is from U.S.D.A.
>>>
>>>No. It is not "from" USDA.
>>
>> http://www.ams.usda.gov/lsg/stand/ls0202.txt
>
>That is the proposal.

And found on usda's web site, so you now have no
option but to agree that the evidence I put before
Harrison was in fact where I said it came from,
and that you made an error when screaming, "False."

>>>>>>>You have reposted producers' public
>>>>>>>comments. You have not posted a USDA standard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've produced both the standard
>>>>>
>>>>>FALSE. You have "produced" only a PROPOSED standard.
>>>>
>>>>That was the standard you asked for
>>>
>>>No. A proposed standard isn't a standard; it's a proposal.
>>
>> And that's exactly the standard you asked for
>
>No. You're lying. I asked for an ADOPTED standard.
>That proposal has not been adopted.

There is no adopted standard, so when asking me to
produce the standard supporting my claims you were
in fact asking me for the standard I gave you that
reveals the lie behind grass fed beef.

>>>>>>>>>***No consensus standards currently exist*** for
>>>>>>>>>production or marketing claims related to meat and
>>>>>>>>>livestock products.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yet you earlier claimed their was a standard, and that
>>>>>>>>that standard is followed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No. There IS an implied standard. It's not a USDA
>>>>>>>standard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As things stand at the moment, according to U.S.D.A.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Some segments of the livestock and meat industries
>>>>>> make claims to distinguish their products from
>>>>>> competing products and may request third-party
>>>>>> verification by USDA to increase the credibility of
>>>>>> their claims."
>>>>>> http://www.ams.usda.gov/lsg/stand/ls0202.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As we can plainly see, so-called grass fed beef
>>>>>>producers are lying
>>>>>
>>>>>No
>>>>
>>>>Both the producer and U.S.D.A. are misleading the
>>>>consumer into believing that the grass fed beef they're
>>>>buying is grass fed
>>>
>>>Currently, beef sold as grass-fed beef IS 100% grass fed.
>>
>> Ipse dixit and false.
>
>No, TRUE. Western Grasslands in California, and
>Slanker's Grass-fed in Texas both sell beef that is
>100% grass fed; ZERO grain.

I don't believe Western Grasslands in California, just
as equally as you refuse to believe statements made
by Kent Lundberg concerning his collateral death-free
rice. You can't have it both ways, Jon. Grass fed beef
animals are fed grains at the feedlot like any other steer,
and that fact is verified with evidence form usda.