In rec.food.drink.beer Scott T. Jensen > wrote:
: "Lew Bryson" > wrote:
:> "Bill Benzel" > wrote:
:>> Suggest you have a look at their web site ( http://www.stonebrew.com )
:>> and tell me what you find that portrays them as bad boys.
:>>
:>> Do bad boys spend years petitioning the government to make the
:>> phrease "Imperial Russian Stout" acceptable to ATF?
:>>
:>> Locally, Stone's image among average consumers of "good beer"
:>> and beer geeks alike is quite the opposite.
:>
:> I strongly suspect the OP's question on "breaking rules" and
:> "anti-establishment" meant the beer geek establishment, and supposed
:> style category rules, not actual anti-social behavior. I could be
:> wrong...but I wouldn't bet much on it.
:
: First, being a "bad boy" doesn't mean you're a blood member of the Hell's
: Angels. It means you're what I said in my original post.
:
: And being a rebel means rebelling against the system (as does being
: anti-establishment). Their fight against the ATF would qualify for that ...
: though that's not exactly an epic struggle. It can mean against the
: conformist ways of an industry as well.
:
: And "bad boys" can and do raise donations for causes they believe in. They
: don't "just" feed on the living like vampires. *rolls eyes* Think a young
: Marlon Brando, James Dean, and such. Being a "bad boy" isn't a put-down but
: a compliment. They're exciting and living on the edge. Not tying knots to
: earn an establishment's merit badge. ;-)
:
: Scott Jensen

Looks like you guys caught me in my own kind of reversed thinking -- to
me rebels are good guys, establishment are bad guys.

Pardon my faux-pas -- while the guys at Stone have not yet paid to place
product in a porn movie (AFAIK) they are definitely "bad to the bone" in
the sense you attribute to it. They also happen to be some of the
finest human beings I've had the opportunity to meet (arrogance
notwithstanding).

-- Bill

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