Ernst Primer wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > wrote:

<snip>

> > > Sorrow doesn't get you where you need to be.
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> > One reason to continue walking with LORD Jesus Christ, Who is **the**
> > way, the truth, and the life.

<snip>

> > > > > > Perhaps this will help you... if not you perhaps others:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Science is to scientific method as
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (1) Art is to artistic licence
> > > > > > (2) Genetics is to genetic testing
> > > > > > (3) Law is to lawyering
> > > > > > (4) Biology is to bioengineering
> > > > > > (5) Chemistry is to chemical engineering
> > > > > > (6) Mathematics is to mathematical modelling
> > > > > > (7) Medicine is to medical care
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew!!!!!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm so proud of you!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > All praises belong to my heavenly Father, Whom I love with all my
> > > > heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
> > > >
> > > > > YOU DID IT!!!!!!! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
> > > > > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
> > > >
> > > > That would be my choice to follow my LORD's guidance about both the
> > > > content and the timing.
> > >
> > > You have the choice to do whatever you like and provide the
> > > rationale of your choosing for it. Likewise, I have the choice to
> > > comment on it however I like.
> >
> > Be my guest so that others like Gary G will not be able to say that
> > they have no idea what it would be like to chat with me.
>
> I already know full well what it's like to chat with you.

This is not for your benefit.

> The term
> "Brer Chung" seems to fit.

In your opinion.

<snip>

> > Those who walk with the LORD are tied to Him so that they become aware
> > of His guidance.
>
> I'm just suprised your LORD would find any use to having you resist
> answering such a simple question so strenuously.

The choice to follow the LORD's guidance requires no effort.

> > > > GOD's timing is impeccable.
> > >
> > > By definition. However, as a man, yours isn't.
> >
> > Thankfully, it has been His timing and not mine :-)
> >
> > May Gary G appreciate His timing :-)
>
> Receiving guidance is not the same as entirely relinquishing control
> to an outside force, unless you're suggesting that guidance to you is
> tantamount to a form of spiritual possession.

The LORD's guidance comes only to those who have surrendered to Him.

> You may be receiving
> spiritual guidance from a force with impeccable timing, but your timing
> is only as good as you are at following the God of Your Understanding's
> guidance.

There is only one GOD and He is the LORD. He created all things and is
sovereign having established even the natural laws that govern the
universe. He is the Giver of life and free will. Only the LORD's
opinion matters.

> > > > The LORD is the source
> > > > of all my strength. All praises belong to LORD Jesus Christ, Whom I
> > > > love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
> > > >

<snip>

> > > > You will have to make up your mind.
> > >
> > > Done and done.
> >
> > "Those with two minds have two faces."
>
> Nice to hear.
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > > Language is imperfect, and truth is sometimes "in between the lines."
> > > >
> > > > All creations of man are imperfect for it is written that we all fall
> > > > short of GOD's glory.
> > >
> > > That includes you.
> >
> > Correct. This is one reason why no matter how perfectly my LORD
> > reshapes me, my need for Him remains.
>
> You could say that.
>
> >
> > > > > > > I may have been speaking figuratively, but quite literally, bad
> > > > > > > things tend to accompany your interactions with people,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In your opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong again, that's a fact.
> > > >
> > > > Your belief.
> > >
> > > Actually, it's documented. :-)
> >
> > What is documented are the works of the LORD.
>
> As is USENET.

Correct.

> > Your judging them to be
> > "bad" is meaningless to those who are able to discern the truth.
>
> Do tell.

Done.

> Apparently this particular power of truth discernment

The ability to discern the truth is no more a power than the LORD's
gift of vision.

> you
> proclaim for yourself

Those who receive GOD's gift of truth discernment receive it through
His grace and not through their own proclamation.

> renders much of what you hear meaningless,

Filtering is a blessing.

> and
> removes your capacity to choose right and wrong.

Actually, the ability to discern the truth enhances the ability to
choose right from wrong.

> > > > > Wasn't your internet service yanked
> > > > > specifically because of the nature of your interactions with people on
> > > > > these very NGs?
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > >
> > > Please set the record straight then.
> >
> > Done.
>
> Gracias.

All praises belong to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength :-)

> > > >
> > > > > Didn't it have something to do with you violating
> > > > > official rules regarding interactions with others?
> > > >
> > > > Thankfully, my access to the Internet via BellSouth has never been
> > > > interrupted.
> > >
> > > So you were not found guilty of a term of service violation?
> >
> > No. If I were, you would not be seeing this post which is reaching the
> > Google servers through BellSouth wires.
>
> My apologies.

Your trespass (bearing false witness) has been forgiven by me.

> I did not run an IP trace.

Yours is an illustration of the wisdom in the LORD's suggestion to
leave judging to the omniscient (Matthew 7).

> > > I
> > > apologize if I got my facts wrong.
> >
> > It would be my choice to forgive you.
>
> Such is the nature of apologies.

Your trespass (bearing false witness) has been forgiven by me.

> > > > An agent of BellSouth had verbally requested that I remove the
> > > > Christian content in my signature. My response was that I might
> > > > consider it if he put his request in writing but he refused. Requests
> > > > to meet with the BellSouth CEO, Duane Ackerman, about this matter were
> > > > rejected. A complaint with the Better Business Bureau has been
> > > > ignored. Mediation is pending and if that fails, this matter will go
> > > > to court:
> > > >
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
> > > >
> > > > > > > which I assert
> > > > > > > can be regarded in many cases as an indication of this problem's
> > > > > > > existence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The untruthful are bothered by the truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > But just because someone is bothered doesn't necessarily logically
> > > > > follow that a) truth is being spoken or that b) those that are bothered
> > > > > by what is being spoken are untruthful. The other theory that would fit
> > > > > the data is that you're frequently unable to engage in discourse with
> > > > > people without violating basic written and unwritten rules of social
> > > > > behavior.
> > > >
> > > > In truth, a signature is not part of any written discourse.
> > >
> > > In truth, your concept of discourse and communication is limited.
> >
> > Concepts are by definition limited.
>
> I meant to say, overly limited.

Then you meant to offer a meaningless opinion.

> > > > > > > The problem of course being your manner of relating with
> > > > > > > others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It will forever remain my choice to stick with the truth. Sorry if
> > > > > > that bothers you or others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't be defensive, I'm not bothered about the content of your
> > > > > beliefs, actually.
> > > >
> > > > The truth is independent of my beliefs.
> > >
> > > By definition.
> >
> > and the very nature of the truth which is infinitely larger than any
> > language constructed to describe it.
>
> Exactly. Language is imperfect, as are those who wield it.
>
> > > > > I've been (mildly) bothered by the process of how
> > > > > you interact with others, however.
> > > >
> > > > Your choice.
> > >
> > > As always.
> >
> > Such is the free will that GOD has given you, me, and others.
>
> Except when it comes to your capacity to choose disregard the truth
> - didn't you say that capacity no longer exists?

Loss of ability is not loss of free will.

> > > > > > > I'll concede that sometimes it may have something to do with
> > > > > > > you being so outwardly Christian, but you're missing the boat if you
> > > > > > > think that's the only reason.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It remains my choice to not guess at what the LORD sees in the hearts
> > > > > > of others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Probably a safe choice.
> > > >
> > > > Safety resides only with the LORD.
> > >
> > > If you say so.
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
>
> As it is mine despite your contrary proclamations.

If this had been your choice, there would have been no need for you to
apologize earlier for bearing false witness.

> > > > > > > Christianity may have fixed you
> > > > > > > spiritually, but it hasn't fixed you dispositionally.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In your opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not just mine.
> > > >
> > > > Only the LORD's judgment matters.
> > >
> > > For most Christians, the LORD's judgement is the one that
> > > **ultimately** matters.
> >
> > The LORD continues to guide me in all that I say, do, or write.
>
> You should work harder on following his guidance more precisely.

In your untruthful opinion, which is meaningless.

Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here this Thursday:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the Lord has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

In Christ's love always,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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