Beach Runner wrote:
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> usual suspect wrote:
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>> Beach Bunghole wrote:
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>>>> Associated Press
>>>> HOUSTON — A man from Great Britain who lived in Houston for four
>>>> years has been diagnosed with variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the
>>>> human form of mad cow disease, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control
>>>> confirmed today.
>>>>
>>>> The 30-year-old man was diagnosed with the second U.S. case of
>>>> variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease because his symptoms began while
>>>> he lived in Houston.
>>>>
>>>> Earlier this year, he returned to Great Britain, where his disease
>>>> progressed and he is now receiving medical treatment for the fatal
>>>> illness.
>>>>
>>>> The U.K. National Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease Surveillance Unit in
>>>> Edinburgh, Scotland, informed the Atlanta-based CDC of the probable
>>>> variant CJD diagnosis and told the disease center the case would
>>>> need to be reported as a U.S. case.
>>>>
>>>> The man was born in the United Kingdom and lived there from
>>>> 1980-1996, a period during which those living in the country were at
>>>> risk of exposure to beef products infected with bovine spongiform
>>>> encephalopathy, more commonly known as mad cow disease.
>>>>
>>>> The infected man's temporary stay in the U.S. has been deemed "too
>>>> brief relative to what is known about the incubation period for
>>>> variant CJD," the CDC said. It is believed he was infected in the
>>>> United Kingdom because the disease's incubation period can last
>>>> years, sometimes decades....
>>>>
>>>> A total of 185 people from 11 countries have been diagnosed with
>>>> variant CJD since 1996. A majority of the cases — 158 — have been
>>>> diagnosed in Great Britain, 15 in France, three in Ireland and two
>>>> in the United States. Canada, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands,
>>>> Portugal, Saudi Arabia and Spain have each also reported a case.
>>>>
>>>> The initial U.S. case involved a woman from Great Britain who was
>>>> living in Florida. She died last year, Schonberger said.
>>>>
>>>> "They have been having cases in the United Kingdom on a regular
>>>> basis," he said. "From our perspective, this is just the
>>>> continuation of the ongoing outbreak in the United Kingdom."
>>>>
>>>> Rest of article:
>>>> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printsto...onicle/3476565
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>>>> Note to Beach Bungler Bob: 185 cases over ~10 years isn't an
>>>> outbreak, an epidemic, or the tip of some kind of iceberg. It's no
>>>> doubt a tragedy, but it's very much isolated both geographically
>>>> (85.4% of all diagnosed in the UK, and 100% of US reported cases
>>>> involved Britons as well; the UK's population is 0.94% of the
>>>> world's population) and to a specific time frame (1980-1996). The
>>>> number of new cases in the UK continues to *decline*, which isn't
>>>> what one would expect if it were the tip of some iceberg.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We don't know the full extent,
>>
>>
>>
>> We know that the problem was isolated geographically and that it
>> applied to a specific period of time. The experts have, for the most
>> part, retracted their wildest forecasts and are increasingly skeptical
>> that a pandemic of vCJD will occur.
>>
>>> or how contaminated the bovine food supply was
>>
>>
>>
>> Wrong, we do know the extent. We also know that rendering in the US
>> and UK were different. Since the UK had more cases of BSE early on,
>> and since the UK rendered those animals, it stands to reason that
>> rendered feeds in the UK would have a greater rate of contamination.
>> The other nations with significant cases of BSE imported cattle and
>> feeds from the UK. The US was not a big importer of either UK feeds or
>> UK cattle:
>> BSE has not occurred in the United States or other countries
>> that have historically imported little or no live cattle, beef
>> products, or livestock nutritional supplements from the UK. Even
>> though rendering procedures in other countries underwent changes
>> similar to those in the UK during the late 1970s, BSE has
>> apparently emerged solely within the UK. The most plausible
>> explanation is that the proportion of sheep in the mix of
>> rendered animal carcasses and the proportion of scrapie
>> infections in such sheep were probably higher in the UK than
>> elsewhere. These proportions were apparently sufficient to bring
>> very low levels of the etiologic agent in batches of rendered
>> carcasses over the threshold of transmission in the UK but not
>> in other countries.
>> http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol7no1/brown.htm
>>
>>> and is for how many years.
>>
>>
>>
>> The window isn't unlimited. Researchers are increasingly skeptical
>> there will be a pandemic or even significant increases in the number
>> of new cases because the data don't support it. The actions taken
>> early on in the UK -- specifically banning feeds made with rendered
>> ruminants -- coincide with a peak of cases. Since that time, new cases
>> have fallen quickly.
>>
>>> The long period it takes to emerge
>>> makes it impossible to predict the full outbreak.
>>
>>
>>
>> The window from time of infection to detection appears to be within a
>> decade. Some new cases may occur from infection via blood transfusion,
>> medical instruments, etc., but the food supply has been shown to be
>> very safe.
>>
>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...610802,00.html
>
> which says basic
> >>> ooy it won't come.
>
> rosurhttp://www.euveillance.org/ew/2004/040513.asp#3
>
>>
> a leading doctor without data says it won't happen.
> I've posted experts that say it will.
>
> It doesn't compare to the effects of many other dangers facing us,
> and certainly the coronary diseases facing meat eaters.
> And the sad fact that most people's phytochemicals comes from coffee
> because their diet is so lacking in produce.
>
>>
>> Did you even look at these, dummy?
>
>
> You can call me a dummy, which is not statistically or remotely true,
> while you continued anti social behavior is demonstrated in most of your
> posts. I'm especially offended by the obscenities you post at good
> woman. Fidyl for example serves her community and he clients. She does
> much good, but because you disagree on a questionable biography, you
> feel the right to post obscenities. It is bad form, show bad social
> judgment, and is just plain rude. I mentioned she did yoga, well she's a
> more complete yoga teacher, that was the tip of the iceberg. She does
> good, and helps promote teaching the disadvantaged. She helps society.
>
> I help society. I solve problems for companies. I contribute to my
> community by playing when they need a musician, usually pro bono in
> spite of my status. In fact, one band has raised over $500,000 that
> goes to supporting the local arts. That is a good thing. What do you do
> that's good. I'd be interested.
>
> I have seen many studies that show farmers are ignoring the regulations
> or unaware of them.
> And I don't consider Mad Cow Disease the major calamity new media
> stories love. It is a danger. We face far greater dangers. Excess meat
> consumption, which is the rule, is a prime factor in cardio vascular
> disorders. Overuse of antibiotics. The transport of nuclear materials
> an burying them under the pimple of the desert, that is not geologically
> stable is probably the biggest danger human, and most higher forms of
> life face.
>
>
> Stop your insults and you'd be listened to as a more rational human
> being. You have talent and intelligence, but your constant insults would
> give anyone cause to wonder about your sanity, if not your basic civility.
>


BTW, as a proof of honesty, FIDLY posted the same article about the
dangers of produce vegetables. We should be aware.