On-line Chat with HeartDoc (12/08/05)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> Thorsten Schier wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
>>
>>>Don Kirkman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>>>>article >:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Don Kirkman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>>>>>>article >:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cows eat only salad and grow to be several hundred of pounds.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cows don't eat salad at all; they eat grasses (pasture grasses, various
>>>>>>>>types of hay), legumes (particularly alfalfa), and cereals,
>>>>>>>>(particularly barley).
>>>>
>>>>>>>You just described salad :-)
>>>>
>>>>>>So how often do you eat a salad of Sudan grass, timothy or alfalfa hay,
>>>>>>rolled barley, and meadow grasses, and maybe some dried shredded sugar
>>>>>>beet pulp or cottonseed cake?
>>>>
>>>>>When I eat salad, I typically add alfalfa, cereals, and grasses (herbs)
>>>>>to romaine and iceberg lettuce leaves.
>>>>
>>Herbs are _not_ grasses, at least the herbs usually eaten by humans are
>>quite unlike grass from a nutritional point of view (and from a
>>botanical point of view as well).
>>
Glad you don't object.
>>
>>>>Yes, and cows don't eat lettuce at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>They do eat romaine lettuce if you provide it.
>>>
>>
>>Cows also eat meal made from dead cows if you provide it. This is how
>>BSE became a problem. However this does not proof that carcass meal is
>>in any way comparable to the cow's usual diet, namely grass and hay.
>>What cows might or might not eat if forced to do so has nothing to do
>>with their natural diet.
>>
Glad you don't object.
>>
>>>>Nor do you make your main diet
>>>>alfalfa, grasses, or hay. You add alfalfa *sprouts*, which cows do not
>>>>eat, and I doubt you add raw barley or hay, which cows eat regularly.
>>>
>>>
>>>Cows can eat cooked barley.
>>>
>>
>>See above.
>>
>>
>>>>No matter how much you rename things to match your theories, salad and
>>>>fodder remain two separate things.
>>>
>>>
>>>No matter how you try to refute it, there is nothing wrong with calling
>>>what cows eat "salad" for purposes of enlightening folks that for losing
>>>weight it is not what we eat but how much we eat that matters. The cows
>>>aren't bothered by it, so why should you?
>>>
>>
>>As shown above, cows eat next to anything if forced to. This does in no
>>way mean that all theses things are all that similar.
>>
>>Btw., cows are proof that is _does_ matter what you eat. It is not
>>without reason that today many cows are fed food they wouldn't eat as
>>wild animals like carcass meal, fish meal or corn, because they gain
>>weight faster and give more milk on such an unnatural diet.
>>
Glad you don't object. Good thing you finally seem to have abandonded
your notion that what people or cows eat is unimportant.
>>
>>>>You would not survive on a cow's
>>>>diet since your stomach cannot process the cellulose--unless you have a
>>>>four-chambered stomach like cattle do.
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, that would depend on the actual composition of the diet.
>>>Cellulose is fiber and though indigestible is not toxic.
>>
>>Don Kirkman has already provided evidence that grass is usually regarded
>>as unfit for human food.
>>
>>It is not without reason that humans don't usually eat grass although it
>>is available in large quantities in most parts. By the way, the
>>cellulose is not the only obstacle for humans trying to eat grass. Grass
>>also contains large quantities of silicate. Eating larger aomunts of
>>grass will soon enable your dentist to buy a new car (that is if you
>>don't die from starvation or intestinal obstruction first). Animals
>>subsisting on grass need teeth adapted to this kind of food and even
>>then the tearing down of the teeth is considerable and sometimes the
>>time until the teeth are gone is what limits the animals life (this can
>>happen to elephants, although they have several really large molars that
>>come into service successivly when the ones previously used are gone).
>>Cows solve this problem by ruminating.
>
Glad you don't object.
>
> "A discerning man keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the
> ends of the earth."
>
It's always wise to keep wisdom in view. This is why I continue to write
truthfully.
Thorsten
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