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>>>>>> Honestly,
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>>>>>>>our stove was retailing at $2600 *without* a burner cartridge or
>>>>>>>downdraft blower, grill only.
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>>>>>>Please will you explain 'downdraft blower'? I keep seeing it referred
>>>>>>to and I have never heard of it.
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>>>>>Ok, go to http://www.jennair.com to see what a downdraft stove looks
>>>>>like. Our model is JES9860ACW but if you just look for the 9860 models
>>>>>you will see exactly what we have without the options we added. The
>>>>>actual vent in in the centre of the stove. This sucks the air out if
>>>>>need be. You can manually operate it if you need but for the grill it
>>>>>is automatic. It vents everything to the outside. Unlike a range hood,
>>>>>a downdraft has a blower system that sucks it down and out. DH is
>>>>>finally installing the blower system now. It really is a pain as you
>>>>>have to cut through an outside wall. We're lucky because our stove is
>>>>>on an outside wall anyway but he had to be careful of wiring and gas
>>>>>lines. The downdraft system is awesome but in some cases it can create
>>>>>too much of a suction. We've been warned not to have it on when a
>>>>>fireplace is operating. We don't have a fireplace but will be
>>>>>installing a corn burning stove so that is a concern.
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>>>>Thank you. So a downdraft, actually sucks air out? <G> It does sound
>>>>rather odd)
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>>>Yep, it basically a souped up venting system.
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>>Well it sounds as though you have the right cooker for you)
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>>Trust me on this one, it
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>>>is a real pain to set up. DH just left for town for a couple more things
>>>to get it going. However, once it is set up it really is awesome! DH's
>>>grandma had the downdraft and he's wanted this type of system ever since.
>>>The plus sides - eliminates a range hood and it very, very efficient.
>>>The downside - pain in the butt to install and apparently if you have gas
>>>burners can cause them to go sidewards. I've heard they don't do as well
>>>if you have a long run to the outside. We are on an outside wall so that
>>>isn't a problem. The blower on this thing is about a foot across so it
>>>moves a lot of air. Another downside but that is the same with all the
>>>higher end stoves is the lack of a storage drawer underneath the range.
>>>I'm really going to miss that in my already spacially challenged kitchen.
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>>When I said it sounded odd I meant odd to call it a downdraft when there
>>is no draft coming down onto the cooker yes? Just a way of sucking up?
>>Anyway it looks like a good piece of equipment and I know you will get
>>full use out of it)) I hope you enjoy every minute you spend at it
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> Patches, since I'm in the market for a new range and I have a Jenn-air now,
> Jennair looks good to me, as it wouldn't be too bad of a swap and some
> carpenetry work to replace the formica. But there is no pan over a certain
> height, and it's not particular high either, that the down draft will pull
> the steam out.
> I'll be really interested in how your stove works for you in this regard.
> (I had no trouble with the grill catching the steam, nor skillets.)
> For instance my rice cooker is too high for the steam to catch on the
> downdraft. If I want it to be directed to the downdraft, I have to concoct
> a piece of aluminum foil over the lid to direct it to the downdraft or it
> will just go everywhere.
> I will take my rice cooker, and other similar pans in height outside on a
> one-burner electric. Hey, I have no Italian garage.
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> PS, I did search for your exact model, but I could only find the model with
> the A after it, not the ACW.
> Dee Dee
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Ok Dee, I will post back after I've used the downdraft system for
awhile. I can say it has been a real pain to install. It's going on 5
hours and DH is still working on it. He has it to the point you can
turn the downdraft on without a problem and is now working on hooking
the stove to the blower. Mind you he had to put the whole blower unit
together. If you already have a downdraft in place though it shouldn't
be that long to install. So far the trial test has showed this
downdraft really moves the air! I think the location of the stove
makes a huge difference as ours is right on an outside wall so very
little to take the air from indoors to outside.

I use a lot of tall stock pots, pressure cooker, and 22 qt pressure
canners so that should be a good judgement of how well this stove
performs. I've ordered the special canning burner that will replace one
of the large burners on one of the cartridges. I think when you are
looking for the model, just use the JES9860 without the ACW - the W
means white and I'm not sure what the AC means.