Bob (this one) wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Bob (this one) wrote:
> >
> >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>
> >>>Bob (this one) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Bob (this one) wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Last evening, Chung's little get-together was a bust.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>No. I enjoyed it.
> >>>>
> >>>>You could have saved yourself the trouble of going on line if all you
> >>>>wanted was to be alone.
> >>>
> >>>Those who are walking with Christ are never alone.
> >>
> >>Platitudes. Yum.
> >
> > The truth.
>
> Untestable and therefore only an opinion.

Not for the discerning.

> >>>>>>Total of three
> >>>>>>names on the board with one flashing in and out - didn't keep the
> >>>>>>connection alive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Folks are not required to stay long. It is a chat room after all.
> >>>>
> >>>>Sure it is. But when no one's there, the amount of "chat" is effectively
> >>>>zero. No chat = no chat room.
> >>>
> >>>Perhaps you logged into the wrong chatroom. I don't recall ignoring
> >>>anyone.
> >>
> >>Of course not. There was nobody there to ignore.
> >
> > Perhaps you logged in either before or after the scheduled chat
> > session.
>
> Not a bit of it. I slid in at the right time. At least it was within the
> range you post. Nothing going on.

Perhaps you got confused about time zone differences and/or daylight
savings time.

> >>>>>>Poor guy gave a party and nobody came.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>It was not a party.
> >>>>
> >>>><LOL> It certainly wasn't. Nobody came.
> >>>>
> >>>>>You are hardly a nobody, dear Bob :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>:-)
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Shocked, I tell you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>It seems you always expect a put-down.
> >>>>
> >>>>It seems you always post non sequiturs. It was a sarcastic comment about
> >>>>your inability to garner support or endorsement -
> >>>
> >>>Sorry your sarcasm backfired.
> >>
> >><LOL> You don't get it so it backfired? Zowie, what reasoning...
> >
> > Then why do you despair?
>
> Andrew, that knee-jerk response of yours is tired and worn. And has been
> dealt with by many people who have asked you how does one indicate
> laughter in a text-only medium? You indicate your mirth with ASCII
> symbols.

No. Those are emoticons and not mirth.

> Somehow you've decided that laughter indicated is despair. But
> your indications are merely mirth. I find that self-serving passive
> aggression laughable. So I laugh. And I tell you that I laugh. At you.

And in so doing, you betray the despair in your heart again and again.

>
> >>>Please forgive my iniquities.
> >>
> >>No, Andrew. Because you'll just continue to do the same things again.
> >>You know they're iniquities, yet you repeat them, all the while asking
> >>for forgiveness for what you do willfully.
> >
> > If you are unwilling to forgive what you judge to be unrepentant
> > behavior, why should the LORD forgive you for what HE judges to be your
> > unrepentant behavior?
>
> I'll take my chances without your opinions cluttering the vista.

This is a question and not an opinion. It is written that the LORD
will judge all:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp

> >>>>or participants in
> >>>>your empty chat room.
> >>>
> >>>Again, perhaps you logged into the wrong chatroom.
> >>
> >>Not a chance. Hit that URL you post so frequently. Took me to your
> >>hilarious "Paradise" with the fake "chat" examples that are really
> >>newsgroup postings. What a fraud you are...
> >>
> >>Punched the chatroom link and there I was. Sorts. Just that you couldn't
> >>see me.
> >
> > Perhaps you logged in either before or after the scheduled chat
> > session.
>
> And perhaps not, huh...? Imagine. Something Andrew can't "discern."

A discerning heart does not confer omniscience.

> >>>>>>And when so many people take him "seriously" it's hard to imagine that
> >>>>>>*nobody* much came by to share his "wisdom" and "education."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Lurkers remain more than welcome :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>Don't know how to read the list down the left side of the screen, do
> >>>>you? Um, the answer is "no" if you think there are "lurkers."
> >>>
> >>>There were multiple rooms... come to think of it I do not recall anyone
> >>>using "Bob(this one)" as a handle last week.
> >>
> >>Oh, sure. Multiple rooms with nobody in them. Right.
> >
> > No.
>
> <LOL> My how instructive an answer.

It remains informative.

> >> >>>>And he seems like such an earnest young "man." So "sincere" in his
> >>
> >>>>>>efforts to "inform" everyone about his "discernments."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
> >>>>
> >>>>That's laughable. Just laughable.
> >>>
> >>>Sorry my choice bothers you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >>
> >>Your "choice" is to continue to dissemble. And that's what's funny.
> >>
> >>And again you ask for forgiveness for what you will continue to do. How
> >>sanctimonious.
> >
> > Again, if you are unwilling to forgive what you judge to be unrepentant
> > behavior, why should the LORD forgive you for what HE judges to be your
> > unrepentant behavior?
>
> Asked and answered.

Not really. But it will be. Of this I am certain.

> >>>>>>A good topic for his "glowfests" would be where to buy those cool big
> >>>>>>red noses and floppy shoes. And maybe plate tectonics and nuclear
> >>>>>>weaponry and realpolitik and biblical interpretation and ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Instead of coveting these chats, you are more than welcome to organize
> >>>>>your own.
> >>>>
> >>>>I have and I do organize my own. Just not for you to visit. I want
> >>>>truthful, intelligent, honest, generous people who aren't obsessed with
> >>>>the doom of humanity in mine.
> >>>
> >>>Without the LORD, there is only doom.
> >>
> >>Apparently, with the lord there's doom, too.
> >
> > No. With the LORD there is hope and eternal life.
>
> One can hope. But one cannot prove.

Those with faith... know.

> >>As in your frantic
> >>"advisory" about global catastrophe. It's like saying I'd rather be hung
> >>with a nylon rope rather than a hemp rope.
> >
> > Sorry you feel threatened by possibility of the Lamb's second coming
> > within the next year or two.
>
> <LOLOL> Extra-hard laughter. Now it's moved from March 29 this year to
> "within the next year or two."

If the possibility of a global earthquake is realized on 03/29/2006
though there will be many who will wish the Lamb would hurry and come
again to judge, all things will still happen according to the LORD's
will as prophesied by John in Revelation.

> Watched an interesting program on TV tonight about David Koresh and the
> events at Waco. He was working on explaining what the seven seals meant
> when his life ended. Hmmmmm...

It remains my choice to continuing walking with Christ instead of
leaving HIS side to lead.

> > Please forgive me for being the bearer of
> > this advisory.
>
> Bwah... "Advisory" emerging only from your over-fevered imaginings and
> hyperreligiosity. Your wacko view of Jesus' two genealogies and how it
> fits into Revelation - and how you seem to believe that *you* fit into
> Revelation - marks you for the wacko you've proven yourself to be. Your
> "advisory" with the nonsensical nuclear bombardment that's supposed to
> move tectonic plates merely shows how little you understand and how
> little you search for fact.

It seems you would attempt to convince people that you are more
experienced about such matters.

> >>>>I guess that on your planet pointing out your failures is somehow to
> >>>>covet something.
> >>>
> >>>With the LORD, though we may stumble, HE saves us from falling.
> >>
> >><LOL> That's funny. Absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote.
> >
> > Where there is no falling... there is no failure.
>
> <LOL> Now you're saying that you can have no failures because you're
> God's little buddy? You have failed, my friend, and failed mightily many
> times. It's a sad program you have of denial of your human failings.

Your opinion is meaningless as will be all of your life if you choose
to remain unrepentant toward the LORD.

> >>Hilarious Andrew just has to say *something* even if it has no bearing
> >>on what's happening.
> >
> > See above.
>
> I've seen it. But you're still posting for the sheer value of posting.

No. The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

> >>>>Good reasoning - like your "truthfully" relentless
> >>>>assertion after being shown to have lied.
> >>>
> >>>It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully. Sorry my choice
> >>>seems relentless to you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >>
> >>Would that you wrote truthfully, Andrew.
> >
> > I am.
>
> And yet, Andrew, you've been proven to spin a whopper every now and
> again. Sometimes directly and sometimes by your friend Occam's Razor.
> The only rational reason why you refuse to name the Atlanta restaurant
> that serves lobster and crab for $5 is because it doesn't exist. If it
> did and you mentioned it, it would be helpful for everyone. The owners
> would have more business, customers would be getting good value and
> everyone would benefit. Your unwillingness to offer benefit to so many
> people can only reasonably be attributed to falsehood. Occam says so.

Occam's Razor is about parsimony and not opinion.

There are many things I have and will continue to refrain from naming.
These things will continue to exist despite my choice. Sorry my choice
distresses you. Again, please forgive all my iniquities for your own
sake.

> >>It's a singular astonishment
> >>how you get caught in your falsehoods and still assert that you're
> >>writing truthfully.
> >
> > Those who are blind are just as unable to detect the dark as they are
> > unable to detect the light.
>
> And those who lie and try to avoid the admission post such dissembling
> prattle and show themselves anew to be untruthful.

This reminds me of the blind man who would instruct the seeing about
their vision.

> >>It's as though your mental state forbids you to
> >>notice what you're actually doing.
> >
> > Thankfully, the LORD's gift of a discerning heart overcomes all
> > deficiencies in one's mental state.
>
> Demonstrably not the case. Now you assert that you have *no*
> deficiencies in your mental state? Not one? None?

What is written has been written plainly.

> >>Your choice of repeating that phony comment about being truthful is
> >>what's relentless.
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
>
> It remains your fantasy that you write truthfully. It is a singular
> astonishment that you feel the need to mention your "truthful" writing
> so often and in reply to so much proof to the contrary. You sound like
> some sleazy used-car salesman who keeps saying, "trust me."

Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly.

> >>You may consider yourself unforgiven. As long as you continue in your
> >>demonstrated path of falsehood and deception.
> >
> > Again, if you are unwilling to forgive what you judge to be unrepentant
> > behavior, why should the LORD forgive you for what HE judges to be your
> > unrepentant behavior?
>
> He shouldn't. But I'm really not worried about it. And, as you say, the
> lord's opinion is the only one that matters in this case.

It is written that those who choose to judge others will be judged by
their own measure (Matthew 7).

> >>>>>Please know that you remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in
> >>>>>Jesus' most precious and holy name :-))
> >>>>
> >>>>I love your phony double-chin smiling face. Looks like somebody's ASCII
> >>>>needs to eat less. Maybe 2#. Bwah...
> >>>
> >>>Sorry my prayers on your behalf bother you. Again, please forgive all
> >>>my iniquities.
> >>
> >><LOL>
> >
> > Without the LORD, there can only be fathomless despair.
>
> Yadda yadda yadda...

Please know that you remain in my prayers.

> >>>>>Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
> >>>>>cardiology, diabetes, cooking and nutrition that interest those
> >>>>>following this thread here during the next on-line chat (02/02/06) from
> >>>>>6 to 7 pm EST:
> >>>>
> >>>><LOL>
> >>>
> >>>"Written laughter is silent despair."
> >>
> >><LOL>
> >
> > Without the LORD, the despair would be everlasting.
>
> <LOL>
>
> >>>>Right - keep issuing those frantic invitations that no one takes
> >>>>you up on.
> >>>
> >>>No. I enjoy the chats regardless of the number of folks who attend.
> >>>Actually, when there are fewer in attendance, the chats are more
> >>>intimate and I get the opportunity to enjoy Paradise more.
> >>
> >>Right. You and another person. Small group. Enjoy "paradise" more. It's
> >>paradisaical to sit in front of your computer?
> >
> > No. The physical location where the LORD has me conduct the chat is
> > Paradise.
>
> Call it what you will. It's a man's name for a man's thing.

Paradise belongs to the LORD.

> >>>>Oh, yes, and it would be very entertaining for you to talk
> >>>>about cooking - after saying that there's no need for recipes.
> >>>
> >>>Chats don't indicate a need.
> >>
> >><LOL> As though that's what the reference means. Where's that
> >>"discernment" when it could help you understand the obvious?
> >
> > Knowing your intentions would require the LORD's gift of clairvoyance
> > and not a discerning heart.
>
> My intentions aren't the subject, as you know. It's your ridiculous
> assertion that recipes are unnecessary. It has obviously escaped your
> notice (a nice way to point out your unthinking ignorance) that they're
> listings of ingredients, and methods and techniques to create
> palatable foods. They're formulae, no different than the sort of
> technical description that a chemist would need. Since you know
> virtually nothing about food and nutrition, its perectly reasonable that
> you also know nothing about cooking.

For those who choose to remain hungry, all edible foods are palatable.

> >>>>Or
> >>>>nutrition - when you don't know how many calories are in bread or
> >>>>potatoes
> >>>
> >>>Knowing the weight of either bread or potatoes obviates the need to
> >>>guess the number of calories.
> >>
> >>There's no need to guess about calories. That's old information, tested
> >>and retested.
> >
> > Calorie counting without a bomb calorimeter is calorie guessing.
>
> No, it really isn't. Not in the real world where practical
> approximations are the order of the day. Much as you "estimate" how much
> the food you eat in a day weighs. Approximately, you've indicated by the
> way you say you operate.

Reading the numbers off a food scale is not an estimate but a
measurement.

> >>Knowing the weight tells you nothing about its nutritional
> >>components.
> >
> > Only the LORD is able to tell you about the exact nutritional
> > components of the food you are about to eat.
>
> *Exact* descriptions of nutritional components aren't necessary.
> Particularly since we don't all work like laboratory equipment.

Thank you for affirming that knowing the nutritional components is not
necessary.

> >>So now that you say the nutritional elements in it are not
> >>necessary to know about, how do you plan to discuss nutrition?
> >
> > Chats are informal casual banter.
>
> <LOL> So it won't matter what you say because it's "informal casual banter."

Only what the LORD says matters.

> >>Phony...
> >
> > "Namecalling is the crutch of those hobbling along without the truth."
>
> More selected "wisdom" from Chung. In this case, it's an accurate
> description rather than merely offering negative name for the sake of
> insult. That's what namecalling is, you know.

The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

> >>>>and that you say it's OK to lie to dieters.
> >>>
> >>>It remains my choice to continue being truthful to all.
> >>
> >>Words are cheap.
> >
> > Not if they are the LORD's.
>
> <LOL> We're talking about your words, Andrew. They're cheap and false.

It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.

> >>Actions are the truth.
> >
> > Not if they are part of a feign.
>
> We're still talking about you, Andrew. It's your actions that are at isesue.

No.

> >>You've said it's ok to lie -
> >
> > It seems to be your choice to bear false witness.
>
> Um, you contradict yourself in the next entry.

No.

> >>to
> >>give them deliberately overstated and false information. And the
> >>overstatement was about calories which you say are unimportant.
> >
> > Calories remain meaningless while there are no practical ways of
> > measuring them.
>
> See, Andrew, the magic word here is "practical." As opposed to your
> rigid insistence about "exact" numbers. Literally millions of people
> have demonstrated that the "practical" use of the approximations that
> calorie charts are can be useful. Reduced calorie dietary plans work
> just fine if adhered to.

Folks don't adhere to them.

> >>Make up your mind.
> >
> > My mind remains made up.
> >
> >>>>Not to mention
> >>>>plate tectonics and nuclear weaponry and realpolitik and biblical
> >>>>interpretation and ...
> >>>
> >>>Yes. There is something to interest everyone in Paradise.
> >>
> >>Sadly, you're ignorant on all those subjects. You've proven it.
> >
> > Your opinion.
>
> Your words and actions and Occam's Razor.

Your belief.

> >>>>Ever the fool - Chung.
> >>>
> >>>If you were secure in the truth, you would also have the strength to
> >>>resist the temptation of descending into namecalling.
> >>
> >>I'm secure in the truth that you are a fool.
> >
> > "Namecalling is the crutch of those hobbling along without the truth."
>
> A sadly accurate description of how you've degenerated from a man who
> used to give rational advice to a fanatic who only rants to give himself
> ego strokes. You have too many cliches, Andrew, that don't reflect the
> truth as the world sees it. That merely serve to offer you yet more
> fodder for your passive-aggressive self-aggrandizement. Quoting yourself
> as though you were a font of wisdom is merely hubris at a grand scale.

In truth, you do not know the person whom I am quoting.

> Asserting that you have no flaws in your mental state and that since
> you're guided by God, you make no mistakes, as you say above, is just
> more of the same. Even you should be able to see how wrong that is.

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, cooking and nutrition that interest those
following this thread here during the next on-line chat (02/02/06) from
6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld