Thank you Chembake, I will try to apply your thinking the next times I
make bread.

My problem with placing a recipe is I have used 4 recipes from 3
different books and they all have the same problems. It is either my
location, my oven or me. I suspect it's ME. While I think I am doing
what I ought to, I have no one watching to interrupt with "you moron,
don't do THAT! The recipe doesn't say THAT!"

Thanks again,

David